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Offline Flayed1

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« Reply #120 on: August 04, 2005, 10:51:34 PM »
I fly bombers allot and you will rarely find me below 10K. I take the time to climb up to altitude usually 15 to 20K pick the angle of attack on the target to do as much damage as I can and take time to calibrate just right to be dead on.  
  In the past I had similar thoughts about rewarding bombers pilots for a job well done. Yes currently we get our name up if we manage to shoot down the few guys that come after us at 15 to 20K but that is not the purpose of a bomber. My goal is to blow your strat to ashes so you can't use them while taking as little damage to my planes as possible.

  I understand some peoples thoughts on this regarding dweebish factory raids just to help score or the dweebish practice of dive bombing heavy bombers that in reality probably didn't happen, or at least wasn't a common practice.
 
  But I do think those of us that really make an effort to use bombers as they were intended should get some recognition for doing this thing we do so well.
  There for I'm going to try to make an equitable proposal for all involved.
    What about something like this----
 
  1. You must be above say 15K (modifiable)
   
  2. You must be in bomb sight unless you are in JU's and other bombers with dive capability.

  3. Strat factories would be excluded from this as even a sloppy bomb drop could hit a high % of targets.  I know some of us wouldn't stoop that low to get our name on the board but I feel a good majority would. I would like to be able to include factories but it's just to easy of a target most times. This would be to keep the text buffer free from the dweeb factory runners.
    (Only Field targets/CV's will be counted.)

   4.  Only runs that score 75% or higher accuracy will be shown (may be adjusted to as needed)


   Therefor you should come out with something that looks like this....
 
SYSTEM:Your name here Scored 85% Accuracy at 17K in a B24J of -------------

   Problem: This would probably have to replace the current #of kills message unless you don't drop any bombs (therefor no accuracy %) and just shoot some people down, fly home and land.
 
  But like I said befor the primary purpose of bombers is to bomb not to be big multi engined fighter planes with guns faceing every direction.

  Now Hitech/Pyro I don't know how hard a system like this would be to implement and it might not be practical but I hope you give it some serious thought for those of us bomber pilots that are really exelent at what we do.

  I know there are those of you that will never be happy with any kind of system like this mainly because you hate people like me that love to fly for 15 to 30 min to splat your hangers to end what looks to me like a fighter stale mate.  To you I say I hope to see you in the sight of my tailgun trying to stop me.
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« Reply #121 on: August 04, 2005, 11:32:05 PM »
Theres an idea, a message saying "XXXX scored x% accuracy in a B17"

Think of all the fun you could have with the poor suckers who got low %'s. Careful what you wish for! :)

People who hit airfields probably wouldn't be that high, I don't know what the hit zone is around a hangar for example, but most of the bombs usually fall harmlessly on the tarmac.

I would imagine for coding purposes it's gotta be kept simple, either you have it or you don't, not too many parameters.

I'm sort of getting persuaded on this, even though I'm not much of a buffer. Normally if you see me in a buff, you can assume I've been hitting the adult beverages.

I've always thought the guy who gets credit for taking the base should get his name in lights, that would be fun.

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« Reply #122 on: August 04, 2005, 11:50:50 PM »
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Think of all the fun you could have with the poor suckers who got low %'s. Careful what you wish for!

  ??? I think I'm missing something here. :)

  As for hitting airfields at alt I do it all the time so as not to get caught up in the fighters and make it back home safe. And I can almost always hit what I am aiming at with just the right amout of bombs at almost any alt , it just takes a bit of practice. Though I do admit the higher you go the more dificult thats why I included the Alt in the message but I see your piont. But if this system was put into effect as stated with alt restrictions you would at least know the guy was at a decent bombing alt even if it wasn't in the message.
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« Reply #123 on: August 05, 2005, 01:01:35 AM »
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I'm sort of getting persuaded on this, even though I'm not much of a buffer. Normally if you see me in a buff, you can assume I've been hitting the adult beverages.


   Who hasnt?

I like the idea of XXX has taken AXX   w a goon.THATS a great idea.
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« Reply #124 on: August 05, 2005, 03:43:20 AM »
Sorry if this has been stated, but I just couldn't stand to read through all 3 pages...

Isn't the issue the fact that no kills are accounted for anywhere for bombers? Air-to-air or air-to-ground kills show in text but are not used at all in scoring. There may not be any historical precedence, but from a players view, it would be another measure to gauge or improve themselves vs. others.

Damage is calculated already so no additional text messages are needed. But if you're going to have kill messages for bombers, shouldn't they be carried forward into scoring?

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« Reply #125 on: August 05, 2005, 03:45:51 AM »
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« Reply #126 on: August 05, 2005, 11:04:45 AM »
kj, what flayed said about the hit % showing up in the buffer was only if it was above a certian percent. So it would exclude when someone got 3% or something near that.

Flayed, I agree with almost everything you say. But, factories would have to be included. With factories included no matter how easy the target, it would support more people bombing the factories then the ever precious FHs. Also it would be easier to implement into the game. I think.
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« Reply #127 on: August 05, 2005, 11:04:47 AM »
kj, what flayed said about the hit % showing up in the buffer was only if it was above a certian percent. So it would exclude when someone got 3% or something near that.

Flayed, I agree with almost everything you say. But, factories would have to be included. With factories included no matter how easy the target, it would support more people bombing the factories then the ever precious FHs. Also it would be easier to implement into the game.
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« Reply #128 on: August 05, 2005, 12:20:53 PM »
Yes Bluej1 I started thinking more on this after I posted and I think your right.  The alt restriction and bombsight only bombing might be enough to cut down on some dweeb factory runners.

 This could make up for some interesing bomber VS fighter action. Maybe you would get more people flying bombers higher than 3k off the deck trying to get their name in lights. You fighter guys wanna stop us bombers from from cluttering up your precious text buffer then get your interceptors up to 15k and above and stop us. :)

  I'm likeing this more and more if I got more fighters comeing after me on my bomb runs then maybe I might concider taking a gunner on more often as it is there are so few people trying to intercept me that I ususally can do both with little to no problem.
  I'll keep thinking on this and thanks for your feedback.
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« Reply #129 on: August 05, 2005, 01:27:49 PM »
"kj, what flayed said about the hit % showing up in the buffer was only if it was above a certian percent. So it would exclude when someone got 3% or something near that."

Naaah, you can't throw that out, to be acceptable it's gotta be fair game for ch. 200.

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« Reply #130 on: August 05, 2005, 04:11:11 PM »
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Air-to-air or air-to-ground kills show in text but are not used at all in scoring.


If I understand the scoring correctly, kills are scored for bombers, in bomber mode, when the kills are from ordnance. ie, drop bombs on a cv with planes on the deck, hit 3, 3 kills in buffer, 3 kills in scoring. However, the gun position kills do not carry into scoring. AFAIK, except for the listing of Gun, Ship or Field kills in the Kill Stats, gun position kills don't really count for much at all in scoring. This could be because all of the gun positions, with the exception of the 8" on a cruiser, are, ideally, purely defensive weaponry. It could also be simply because HT didn't feel that it needed to be tallied in score.

Also, in the planes with an option for attack mode (il2, tbm, val, a20 etc [planes with fixed forward firing guns fired only by the pilot]) a2a and a2g kills will be scored if the sortie was scored under attack mode. B26 is currently an odd bird in that it has fixed guns but no attack mode available. This may be due to the fact it's a formation bomber- I don't really know.

Don't mean to sidetrack the whine, just thought I'd point that out.
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« Reply #131 on: August 05, 2005, 08:01:54 PM »
The kills are listed, but not used in calculating the ranking. The only raw non-ratio data used in ranking is captures.

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« Reply #132 on: August 05, 2005, 11:18:20 PM »
Some thoughts.... First,  I'm not really sure what percentage of people who play this game are concerned with scores and rankings??? I assume fighter pilots might be more inclinded...but speaking for my self (bomber pilot) rank and score really mean nothing....I am not one to say the Fighter furballers or the land grabbin Bomber pilots are right or wrong.....its just an interesting duality that exsists in the game...It is this paradox that really is the catalysis for (TEAM PLAY) whether by design or not. Yes I try to communicate with my team at every base ......every base is a differeent story it seems.....I try to help out the fighter jocks ....and I appreciate in turn when they help me out .

Really the lack of understanding respect and positivity  and gamemanship is a much bigger drain  on the game then this issue.

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« Reply #133 on: August 05, 2005, 11:45:24 PM »
I dont care one bit about scores and crap, I just want to kill people and blow stuff up
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« Reply #134 on: August 05, 2005, 11:48:54 PM »
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Some thoughts.... First,  I'm not really sure what percentage of people who play this game are concerned with scores and rankings??? I assume fighter pilots might be more inclinded...but speaking for my self (bomber pilot) rank and score really mean nothing....I am not one to say the Fighter furballers or the land grabbin Bomber pilots are right or wrong.....its just an interesting duality that exsists in the game...It is this paradox that really is the catalysis for (TEAM PLAY) whether by design or not. Yes I try to communicate with my team at every base ......every base is a differeent story it seems.....I try to help out the fighter jocks ....and I appreciate in turn when they help me out .

Really the lack of understanding respect and positivity  and gamemanship is a much bigger drain  on the game then this issue.

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