Author Topic: Fixing heavy bombers (Read 2455 times)

Sp4de · « **Reply #15 on:** August 12, 2005, 03:50:54 PM »

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Originally posted by SuperDud
This is HTC's world so the 1st amendment means nothing here.

Hey!!! Your right! It is "Htc's world"
Let's all make about 30 post's! Thats how things are done around here! Htc is working, Leave it at that.
Cant wait for Tod, Ah yes Tod.
"THE AI TOOK MY BASE"
"THE AI SHOT ME DOWN THEY ARE TOO GOOD!!!!"
Of course some of you wont let it go and probly go to the MA like you should, The BBS is the one and only stop you need.
I've got to say reading all the whines from grown up's is hilarious.
But dont listen to me, I'm only 17!
"It's the youths fault they whine and... stupid yeah there stupid" blah blah blah. Apparently you never grew up so I cant tell you that, So I will just let you all be. Have a lovely day.

Love, Spade

PS: No Ghosth I am not talking about you or a few others, You had a idea and you gave it, Others just cant handle that and explode with a post about it.

Flayed1 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 12, 2005, 04:01:08 PM »

I have no problem with the F6 position being forced, thats the only one I use and it isn't hard. Even for GV bombing. Last night I uped a single B26 at a base under heavy attack, climbed up to 1K leveled off turned over to the spawn, leveled out speed and calibrated. All this within 1 or 2 minuits. Flew on over to where my countrymen were trying to kill this real annoying tiger and dropped a few 1000 pounders on him and boom no more tiger problem. Though usually I use a YAK9T for this kind of thing but the fighters were down.

The point of this though is to show that it's not hard to do, just that not very many people are willing to take the time to learn how to do it propperly. It is after all so easy to pop into F3 and make a big fat sloppy bomb drop covering several acres just to hit 1 tank.
Also I usually take a 10K B26 flight to kill CV's and they work really well so I see no reason why if people want to dive bomb the cv they can't use JU88's they carry a similar external bomb load, have about the same speed as the B24 and they are meant to dive bomb.

Alpo · « **Reply #17 on:** August 12, 2005, 04:09:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Sp4de
"It's the youths fault they whine and... stupid yeah there stupid" blah blah blah.

Why would anyone say that?

Alpo · « **Reply #18 on:** August 12, 2005, 04:14:50 PM »

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Originally posted by 999000
First, do you ever see the bomber pilots wine about the ordinace porkers???

Yep. Me.

I've always wanted the barracks/supplies/ord/fuel to be a harder target. Guns vs field stuff is just too easy IMHO.

Killjoy2 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 12, 2005, 04:56:30 PM »

Dive-bombing bombers in boxes are silly.

They ruin the game play.

As long as you give them divebombing box's why not include a nuke? It's all the same. Silly.

You can't limit pilots only software.

This buff crap has brought me almost to the point of leaving the game after ten years.

There is a balance between historical and game play. I maintain that leaning toward the historical side creates the best arena enviroment.

My simple suggestion that can be done tomorrow is perk the boxes. Let the buffers have boxes and dive bomb, just make them pay. I could possibly handle one dive-bombing Lanc. Silly

ChopSaw · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2006, 04:06:55 AM »

I too fly bombers a lot and I too am not a fan of dive bombing medium and heavy bombers that have the F6 bomb site position. I think restricting bomb drop to the F6 position is the easiest fix to this problem. Currently when you go to F6, the auto trim puts you in a level “autopilot configuration”. If you’re screaming down in excess of 300 mph and you suddenly go to F6, I think the wings will come off of a loaded bomber. Even if it doesn’t strip the wings, it’ll ruin any accuracy they might have from a jabo style attack. My basis for thinking it’ll strip the wings is because I was tooling along at 250 and thought I’d like some more altitude. So I just hit the auto speed (alt x). The next thing I hear is two closely spaced bangs as both wings came off.

If this doesn’t fix the problem, I think the time check for the “autopilot” might work well. However, I think 20 seconds is an eternity and the time need not be so long. A few seconds would easily suffice.

rod367th · « **Reply #21 on:** February 19, 2006, 08:15:17 AM »

Okay lets see some bombers did dive bomb Jimmy stewarts b24's use to dive bomb and strafe german airfields at night. plenty of films of dive bombing big bombs out there.

So you want to stop anyone from doing what you think is impossible. Them why not make reality that a person can't die up another plane over and over to kill a bomber formation, or keep upping to pad others score during a vulch. this is more unreal than a bomber dive bombing.

This is like guys saying Pilots in ww2 didn't HO. In my uncles squadron alone 4 guys died or were shot down during a Headon, ! was p51 against 262 were both crashed into each other, Other was chuck Yeager who got shot down by ho'ing 190. Plus 2 other man of the 357th. Uncle Morris was Ace in ww2 His exacted words " He who shots first tells stories"

Already because so many whines HTC started a collision mode that has cause more problems and Taunting on 200 than its worth in my opinion.

So lets stop more realism and make others fly way YOU want then to fly not how they want to fly.

There were suicide planes on all sides, There were dive bombing by big bombers all sides, Ho'ing all sides, Sneak attacks, Spawn camping ( this was setting up ambushes were you knew tank's had to pass) and of course there was vulching by all sides. but hell lets remove all these too because few want that to stop.

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 19, 2006, 09:34:25 AM »

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Originally posted by SuperDud
This is HTC's world so the 1st amendment means nothing here. If people want to drop bombs...make them learn, we all had to. It's not limiting them, it's making them work for it. I know it's true for fighters. If you want to get decent you have to put you time in. With bombers, theres no real challange. You fly level, the fighters come to you and you don't have to worry about ACMs. Bomb drop is easy even if done as it's suppose to be. I think a lot of the "dweebs" get crushed as fighters and instead of taking the high road and learning, they're drawn to the buffs b/c it's easy. I feel if 1 player(bomber) has the ability to affect so many people by dropping FH's, it should be more difficult.

That is the worst excuse for why some pilots fly bombers. Some fly bombers due to not having the best computer. Or ever think that some of us may like bombers more then fighters? I know its crazy but what if game creators made more WWII games then this one not based on aircraft. Thats insane tho, everyone justs wants to fly a fighter, anyone wo dosnt just sucks at it.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #23 on:** February 19, 2006, 11:14:12 AM »

Before you bomber types get in any more of a hissy, keep in mind that no one's labelled you all as divebombing newbs.

The current setup is ridiculously easy, and it's used in the MA to grief other players. While there are bomber pilots who climb to alt, take escorts, plan routes, etc, they are by far the minority. Asking for 1 simple change to the bombers (current setup is laughable if you use historical premises OR gameplay enhancement as a measure) to improve quality of gameplay in the main isn't the end of the world. If you're a fan of bombers, and do it "the right way", the change wouldn't even affect you. As someone else has said repeatedly in the past, formations are bloated jabo's in the main, and give both the planes, and their legitimate fans, a bad name. (Fun Nazi isn't a term of endearment.)

If you're one of the folks who will up a formation of B26s 100 times and slam it into the side of a CV just to screw those of us who enjoy an actual aerial engagement, then a lot of us don't really care what you think anyway, and if the proposed change takes your fun away, excellent.

Lye-El · « **Reply #24 on:** February 19, 2006, 11:19:56 AM »

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Originally posted by rod367th
Okay lets see some bombers did dive bomb Jimmy stewarts b24's use to dive bomb and strafe german airfields at night. plenty of films of dive bombing big bombs out there.

Did he do it from outside his aircraft? Did he drop without using the bombsight? Did he attack with the intent and ability to take out a single ground vehicle? Did he fly 3 aircraft at a time? How many films of flights of B24's dive bombing? I've seen films of dedicated dive bombers and diving attack aircraft. I've never seen one of a flight of heavy bombers dive bombing.

It would take the Pilot and co-pilot both pulling on the yoke to pull it out of a steep dive, if they could pull it out at all. Doubtful close to the ground.

rod367th · « **Reply #25 on:** February 19, 2006, 12:14:29 PM »

Go to web site about Jimmy stewart. they didn't dive 5k they would do slight nose down carpet bomb runways.

Brits used dive bombing lancs on sub ports all the time. low level attacks
bridge busters low level dive bombing list can go on and on. including low level dive bombing of Romainian OIL fields after 1000 bombers lost at hi alt.

Softail · « **Reply #26 on:** February 19, 2006, 12:33:40 PM »

Its simple...limit heavy bombers to drop in F6 view only. There done. Fixed.

As for the sight, both AH1 and AH2 have easy bombsights. No need to calibrate alt or wind direction (in MA there is no wind). You want a tough sight to master...install B-17 Flying Fotress. The Mighty 8th. Now THAT was a difficult bombsight to master. My pet peeve is the convergence on bombers.

In AH1 we could pick our convergence. In AH2 its fixed somewhere between D600 and D800. So I have guys sitting out there on my 6 at D1100 nailing me with 20MM while I waste 2/3rds of my rounds hitting him with useless .50 cals.

I have done the low-level rake the spawn point or CV on occasion...because the enemy does it too.

I find for CV's bombing at 10K feet and a 1 ship length lead works wonders.

Put in the F6 only bombing switch for the heavies. Don't bother me none. I like climbing to alt bombing and picking off LA-LAs, SPITS and 38s trying to climb up to kill me. Besides...do you know how long you can glide a B-24 from 20K? A long long long long ways ;-) But if you never take them above 2K...you'll never know ;-)

Later.

Softail

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 19, 2006, 12:38:49 PM »

How about limiting External view in bombers under a certian alt. Only able to use it above a certian alt.

parin · « **Reply #28 on:** February 19, 2006, 12:41:03 PM »

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Originally posted by 999000
...escort bombers???...now that would be real!

999000

like you need an esscort.

ChopSaw · « **Reply #29 on:** February 19, 2006, 02:16:46 PM »

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Originally posted by BlueJ1
How about limiting External view in bombers under a certian alt. Only able to use it above a certian alt.

That would eliminate our ability to man guns at low altitudes when we're already most vulnerable to fighters. Also there is a place for low level drops from around 4K.

Limiting drop ability to the F6 position is still the best option. It's simple, it'll work and it won't bother guys who already use the bomb sight at all.

I do a lot more damage for a lot longer by bombing "the right way" from heavies than anybody else who is doing jabo's in a heavy.