Angry with some of these refugees

[kevykev56]

Originally posted by Nash
WHAT RELIEF EFFORTS?!!!!!

Take a look at the relief efforts just outlined here


Hurricane Relief Efforts



Nash the issue here isnt that many poeple have died. That is a different issue all together. I do have sympathy for those. I have sympathy for the young/sick/old who could not get out.

The original start of this thread is about those who are so inconsiderate for the efforts being done to help. All around the U.S. Government and Civilians alike are rallying together to help those effected.  I have a problem with the imatients of "SOME" of those in the big easy who are being crybabys about the conditions.

I just heard a news report where one guy was screaming..."We need transportation! We need help!!, I would drive out of here myslef but MY CAR IS UNDER WATER!"  Now does that statment strike you as odd? If today he has the means to drive out, why did he not do it BEFORE the hurricane hit? This guy took a risk. He gambled and lost. Now he is going to cry about it and blame someone else for his own actions.....this is the stuff I have issuse with.


FILTH

Those in N.O. have known for a very long time that they were extremely vulnerable. Everytime a threat of a hurricane heads their way the news is beating it to death. If one ever hits they will be in trouble....well It happend, and they are in trouble. We are all in trouble as a country.

[JTs]

never mind

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Nash
Well, perhaps I wouldn't have kicked FEMA's support out at the knees. Perhaps I wouldn't have slashed its funding. Maybe I wouldn't have directed it against disaster relief towards Homeland Security. Perhaps I wouldn't have appointed my buddy the real eastate guy as the head of it.

I am telling you. Everything this guy touches turns to ****.

Half a billion dollars were spent over 10 years. and your saying a year and a half of cut funding is the reason the levies broke?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Nash
WHAT RELIEF EFFORTS?!!!!!

I suppose from way up there in the land of the maple leaf you have a great view to see exactly whats going on down in NO.

I guess you expect with a snap of the fingers or all the president has to do is lift the phone and all sorts of manpower material and vehicles & supplies should just magically appear and be able to help thousands if not tens of thousands of people spread out over hundreds if not thousands of square miles all at the same time.
Wow you must think the pres has or should have some awsome magical powers.
Tsnami releif didnt happen this quick and that was over a much smaller area

[Nash]

Dred - gonna be an intersting coupla months.

Trust me - you'll either be covering your ears screaming "neener neener" or blaming it on gays. There's no other excuse.

[kevykev56]

More on relief efforts...Just for you Nash

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Our efforts are now focused on three priorities: Our first priority is to save lives. We're assisting local officials in New Orleans in evacuating any remaining citizens from the affected area. I want to thank the state of Texas, and particularly Harris County and the city of Houston and officials with the Houston Astrodome, for providing shelter to those citizens who found refuge in the Super Dome in Louisiana. Buses are on the way to take those people from New Orleans to Houston.


Our second priority is to sustain lives by ensuring adequate food, water, shelter and medical supplies for survivors and dedicated citizens -- dislocated citizens. FEMA is moving supplies and equipment into the hardest hit areas. The Department of Transportation has provided more than 400 trucks to move 1,000 truckloads containing 5.4 million Meals Ready to Eat -- or MREs, 13.4 million liters of water, 10,400 tarps, 3.4 million pounds of ice, 144 generators, 20 containers of pre-positioned disaster supplies, 135,000 blankets and 11,000 cots. And we're just starting.

Our third priority is executing a comprehensive recovery effort. We're focusing on restoring power and lines of communication that have been knocked out during the storm. We'll be repairing major roads and bridges and other essential means of transportation as quickly as possible.

Linky

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My guess you are either Really in Outer Space...But I dont think so. You seem like a smart guy.

Or my second guess...You are so angry at Bush you cannot comprehend anything he does as good.


I actually would be amazed if you really even read the above posted statments that Bush made. If you did read them you would have recognized them from his speech that he made today. But you never saw or cared to listen to that speach because of your anger.

Lighten up and understand that he like all presidents before him try to do what is best for their country.


Relief efforts are on the way and will be done in as swift a way possible.....We just need some patients from the ones who are hardest effected. The media will play up all the negative press they can. Its what gets them ratings.

[AWMac]

Wake up call here...

They, the Govt, knew a hell of a Hurricane was coming for days. Even plotted where it was pattern to strike. Knew that NO was as is below sea level. Knew that it was going to hit .

Three days before the Hurricane arrived the Govt should have had provisions in place. Common sense. Should have had the National Guard there first, Military Kitchen Units in the AstroDome, Medical Assistance on site. Frikkin Organization!

Yeah they say help is on the way, this help is 4 days too late.

and now they are trying to put a bandaid on an artery cut.
Armed looters... send in a few Rangers and Seal teams..  That would stop the lootin thing fast.

Mac

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
yup pretty sad.


The only thing I have to criticise is this:

When we invaded afghanistan we saw C-5s loaded with little yellow MREs and packages of water ready to air drop and "win the hearts and minds"

Why arent we seeing the same thing on the news.  A C-5 could be loaded with the cargo in an hour and be on location within 2 or 3 hours.

we have the air support and supplies why arent they being dropped to people that are stranded.  I sure hope this picks up by tommorrow.

and drop it where? In the water? and there are people scattered all over the place

Id agree but I think the pandamonium of such a drop. even if they had a place dry enough to drop it might create more problems and deaths  then it solves or saves. Particularly with armed gunmen running around shooting at whatever they think might be a fun target at the time.

Its going to take some time to get some kind of cohesion. I admit planning for this sort of contingancy has obviously been pretty poor but I wouldnt at all lay blame on any one administration or its policies.
They've known this could happen for a very long long time.

[SuperDud]

See Rule #2, #4

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
and drop it where? In the water? and there are people scattered all over the place

Id agree but I think the pandamonium of such a drop. even if they had a place dry enough to drop it might create more problems and deaths  then it solves or saves. Particularly with armed gunmen running around shooting at whatever they think might be a fun target at the time.

Its going to take some time to get some kind of cohesion. I admit planning for this sort of contingancy has obviously been pretty poor but I wouldnt at all lay blame on any one administration or its policies.
They've known this could happen for a very long long time.

yea you are correct.  Even at the superdome such a drop would cause a full scale riot.

this quote kinda got to me:

Nagin has called for a total evacuation, saying that New Orleans will not be functional for two or three months and that people would not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two. Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained, and said that 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be evacuated in ensuing convoys

it's a simple matter of logistics.  There's only so many people you can move at one time even with all the busses in the world.  It's like shoving a swimming pool through a garden hose.

[Nash]

See Rule #2, #4, #5

[FiLtH]

Rhino...I was just giving them a tiny window to squeek through. In my book...they are idiots to have stayed.  I bet if asked before this happened, what they would do if their city was wrecked, what would they do to survive...few would think it through enough. "Id drive over to the next county and get my food".."Id order Dominos."  They just arent that bright. Not just them, but alot of people. Urban crowds stand out because there are more dummies grouped in one place. But they dont have a monopoly on stupidity, theres small towns full of em too.

    To steal a line from "Duel"...loosely,

     You go about your lives doing the same things every day, and then all of a sudden, all those ropes that kept you hanging in there, are cut away. And there you are...back in the jungle.

    Food comes from farms not supermarkets.
    All water is not created equal.
    When given the choice, pick the can of friut, not the toaster oven.
    When told to evacuate..do it.

    Some people chose to stay saying "If I leave the looters will take everything I own." Thats the problem. They valued property over their lives. Well somehow they survived the storm, but now want action done asap to save them from the after effects.

    I just feel bad for the kids who are suffering and dying because they have such stupid parents.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
yea you are correct.  Even at the superdome such a drop would cause a full scale riot.

Remember when we dropped MRE's in Afganistan that we were criticised because the locals were running after them before they hit the ground and several ended up getting killed from the falling food.

[Hangtime]

See Rule #2

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Nash
Dred - gonna be an intersting coupla months.

Trust me - you'll either be covering your ears screaming "neener neener" or blaming it on gays. There's no other excuse.

Half billion dollars spent over 10 years.
2002 was when funding was cut.


You dont REALLY think that year and  half..ooops my bad, 2 1/2 years made all the difference do you.

Im starting to agree with toad.. outer space. or spaced out.
One or the other LOL

There may be blame. but Im sure when all is said and done there will be plenty of blame to go around for everyone. Including both political parties, a couple presidents,local contractors and polititions. course the Dems will ignore their sahare and focus on the Reps and the reps will do the same with the dems.
Thats the way it always works