Whhhyy dont they send buses?

[bj229r]

Doesnt N.O. HAVE buses?


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Yup, it Bush's fault that all these buses are under water...hmm...mebe 50 adults per bus...mebbe 500+ buses (this isnt all of them)...wouldnt have been too hard to get those 100-200k people outta there..at least to high ground, so they wouldnt have to send choppers and boats over hundreds/thousands of square miles

(Oops, here is the link...my web abilities are minimal, as you can see)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17362

[Gunslinger]

Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00

'The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating'

[crowMAW]

Definitely a good point.  There are about 300 busses down there which could have been used to get at least 12,000 people out of New Orleans.  Not sure where they would have all gone...but distributed among shelters throughout northern Louisiana would have been better than the Superdome.

I think the issue that most folks are having is with the response afterwards.  The locals screwed up...they did not have an adiquate evacuation plan for something of this magnitude and they should have had one.  But should the attitude be, "you made your bed, now die in it!"  Or should the Feds have moved in with relief supplies immediately?  Delivered by a helo airlift if necessary in an effort not unlike the Berlin airlift.   Should those supplies have been pre-staged?  Should the Navy response have been mobilized days before the storm made landfall rather than days afterwards (we all knew that a Cat 4-5 storm was going to hit somewhere in the Gulf, why not cut the response time by getting Hope and Comfort moving in the days before)?

There is plenty of blame to go around and all should be held accountable.

[soda72]

I can't beleive this.  I guess rats really do abandon a sinking ship...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/national/nationalspecial/04police.html?ei=5090&en=8bf8550c348bbc33&ex=1283486400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print


http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1077495.php

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by crowMAW
Definitely a good point.  There are about 300 busses down there which could have been used to get at least 12,000 people out of New Orleans.  Not sure where they would have all gone...but distributed among shelters throughout northern Louisiana would have been better than the Superdome.

I think the issue that most folks are having is with the response afterwards.  The locals screwed up...they did not have an adiquate evacuation plan for something of this magnitude and they should have had one.  But should the attitude be, "you made your bed, now die in it!"  Or should the Feds have moved in with relief supplies immediately?  Delivered by a helo airlift if necessary in an effort not unlike the Berlin airlift.   Should those supplies have been pre-staged?  Should the Navy response have been mobilized days before the storm made landfall rather than days afterwards (we all knew that a Cat 4-5 storm was going to hit somewhere in the Gulf, why not cut the response time by getting Hope and Comfort moving in the days before)?

There is plenty of blame to go around and all should be held accountable.

I just watched Gen Honor on Fox in a GREAT interview.  He does a great job of explaining the situation from FEMAs stand point.  

1.  There was only ONE major interstate road leading to NO and it was flooded halfway through the city.
2.  Supplies could not be pre-positioned in mississippi because MS took a direct hit and they would have (and were in some cases) been whiped out.
3.  This wasn't ONE disaster but two, the hurricane and the flooding
4.  NO was supposed to take the direct hit but the storm shifted and headed toward MS.

I'm looking for the transcripts cause the guy made sense.

[soda72]

If it were election day all those busses would have been filled with poor people

I love this quote

[Yeager]

all the democrats want Bush impeached over this (naturally),  but when the water is finally pumped out and everyone gets a chance to discover the evidence Im betting the moon the mayor of new orlins gets his freshly severed head handed to him on a platter.

That guy is black too and he totally screwed up leaving all his fellow black people, and alot of whites too, to get flooded and suffer tremendously.  He knows it too.  He is a goner.

Another big lesson here, if your not stashing food and water and dont have some defenses for an emergency, and you expect the feds to save you......you have a terribly flawed expectation.

The feds will get there, a week later....Bush or Gore, dont matter.

[Hangtime]

W. J. Riley, the assistant superintendent of police, said there were about 1,200 officers on duty on Saturday. He said the department was not sure how many officers had decided to abandon their posts and how many simply could not get to work.

Been saying it for 30 years.. have seen this before. Watched it happen in other countries in times of unrest, seen it here in times of civil disorder. Cops are human. There comes a time when there's a decison to be made.. "Should I be protecting them (the folks looting, shooting, pillaging, raping) or protecting my own family?"

The Police force is NOT the military. When a cop is faced with no food, no transportation, no communication, no place to secure detainees, no recourse with the populace.. he's human. He hired on to 'protect and serve', not 'patrol and die'.

THIS is why the the intelligent citizen gets himself a gun. There is absolutely no guarantee that the cop on the corner is on YOUR side when the **** hits the fan.

[crowMAW]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
1.  There was only ONE major interstate road leading to NO and it was flooded halfway through the city.

Which is why helos may have been needed.  But...flood waters were higher on Thursday than they were on Tuesday.  Thursday the bus convoys started, so there must have been a passable route on Tuesday.

Originally posted by Gunslinger
2.  Supplies could not be pre-positioned in mississippi because MS took a direct hit and they would have (and were in some cases) been whiped out.

Which is why you pre-position them in areas outside the strike cone...like Baumont, Tx for NOLA and Tallahassee, FL for Biloxi.

[crowMAW]

Originally posted by Yeager
The feds will get there, a week later....Bush or Gore, dont matter.

Oddly, that is not the way it panned out when the previous President Bush was in charge durning the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew.  The Army was in Miami just 2 days after the storm.

But I agree that poor leadership is not an impeachable offence.

[soda72]

Prepare for the worst guys  

Sunday, September 04, 2005
 
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Leavitt said he couldn't provide a precise number on the impact of the devastation, but when asked if it was in the thousands, he said, "I think it's evident it's in the thousands."

"It's clear to me that this has been sickeningly difficult, and profoundly tragic circumstance," Leavitt said.

Earlier in the day, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff (search) had declined to estimate the death toll, but conceded that an untold number of people could have perished in swamped homes and temporary shelters where many went for days without food or water.

"I think we need to prepare the country for what's coming," Chertoff said. "What's going to happen when we de-water and remove the water from New Orleans is we're going to uncover people who died, maybe hiding in houses, got caught by the flood, people whose remains are going to be found in the streets. ... It is going to be about as ugly of a scene as I think you can imagine."

[Lazerus]

The easiest target is the highest in command in a situation like this, but it is not necessarily or even actually the position to blame. FEMA has been blasted with criticism by senior members of congress since the early 90's. "The most bureaucratical bunch of prettythangholes I've ever had to deal with" is pretty close to the quote I remember from 1989 from a senior senator.

There is a need to blame someone. It makes those that are suffering feel better. The blame rests on the entire nation. Pick your natural catostrophy, be it flood, famine, earthquake, hurricane, tornado, drought or locust. The situation as it is now has shown the charity of the nation and the world. There can be no reasonable expectation of government to protect us from, or have prescience of a natural disaster of this scale.

The blame for the destruction is on Katrina. The blame for the suffering is on Katrina. The blame for the slow reaction time is on a fat, bloated bureaucracy of a government that the people that are blaming the government for their suffering want to increase.

[soda72]

More buses....



Edit:  are these buses or trailers?  I can't tell

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