9 Sep set up: "1945: Squadron of Aces"

[Sabre]

1945: Squadron of Aces

It is the last days of the Third Reich.  German territory is an anvil
being pounded from two sides by the twin hammers of the Western Allies
and the Soviet juggernaut.  The promised wonder weapons are finally
coming on line in quantity, but it is too little, too late.

Terrain: Baltic
Bar/Dar: 50mi/25mi
Fuel Burn: 1.5
Ack Lethality: 0.7
Downtimes: Ack=15min, base radar=30min, town=30min, hangers=15min,
bunkers=30min, HQ=10min, all others=180min
Capture: 15 troops
 
Western Allies (Bishop): P-51D, P-47N, P-38L, Spit-XIV, Typhoon, Tempest,
Mosquito, B-17, B-24, B-26, Lancaster, C-47, Pnzr-IV, Ostwind, all the M's.

Soviet Union (also Bishop): La-5, La-7, Yak-9U, Yak-9T, A-20, IL-2 , T-34, Pnzr-IV, Ostwind, all the M's

Axis (Knight): Bf109G-10, Fw190A-8, Fw190F-8, Fw190D-9, Ta152, Me262
(limited bases), Me163 (limited bases), Bf110G-2, Ar234, Ju88, Ju87, C-47, Pnzr-IV, Tiger, Ostwind, all the M's

Special Notes: Soviet AF planes will be placed at separate bases from Western Allies' planes. CV's will be out of play (command count set to zero,
ownership to Rook.  No perks.  Concerning uberjet and rocketplane deployment, these will only be opposite USAAF/RAF bases.  Soviets didn't face too many jets, IIRC, so it will be prop vs prop on the Russian front.

[Larry]

Think the Tempest and the SpitXIV should be limited also mabey half the bases have them and other half dont. Also the Ta152 should be to.

Edit: Also the russians did see considerate jet vs. prop battle. There were russians that were flying for the axis in Me262s wanting to get stalin out of command vs. other russians.
Here is a link to some of the A/C the Russian Liberation Army flew and it dosent show it but they also flew Ta152s with ROA markings.

Think Im ganna do that 109G10 flown by Semjon Trofimoviè Byèkov when they are redone

[Karnak]

Interesting setup.  "Let the monsters loose."

Always nice to see something new tried.


Larry,

Keep in mind that there would have been many Spitfire LF.Mk IXs and LF.Mk XVIs running at +25lbs boost at this point, and those perform better than the Mk XIV at +18lbs boost up to about 16,000-20,000ft.  Heck, the Mk XIVs would have been at +21lbs boost.  Limiting the Mk XIV doesn't make sense in this context.

[storch]

minor point, why should the allies have the panzer or the ostwind?

[Slash27]

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[Eagler]

isn't this like what is in there this week already?

[Larry]

Originally posted by Slash27
What would you have the "Allies" use against the Tiger?

Bombs? That always works well. I think the Axis should have axis GVs and allied have allied. How about giving the axis the B17 to sub for the Fw 200 condor? That would be the same thing yall are doing with the GVs just with planes.

[storch]

Originally posted by Slash27
What would you have the "Allies" use against the Tiger?

the same thing they used in combat 40:1 odds

[Slash27]

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[Larry]

Originally posted by Slash27
Works for me, M8 vs Tiger:aok
Bombs? That always works well. I think the Axis should have axis GVs and allied have allied. How about giving the axis the B17 to sub for the Fw 200 condor? That would be the same thing yall are doing with the GVs just with planes.

Ill take that as "Id rather have it my way" post.

[Slash27]

Edit: done with the crybabys.

[Larry]

Yea Im glad its not yours mabey this time if I take out a 88mm it will stay down longer then a millisecond.

[Sabre]

Good feedback.  Yes, this set up is similar to the current one, simply advancing the clock a bit and adding the Russian front.  I will endeavor to place the jets so as to insure fairly ready acces to the front (remember, they're quite a bit faster, so placing them back a little bit is not such a big issue).  Since both sides will have some non-jet uber planes, I would like to see how it plays out without limiting the Allied rides.  Admittedly, the Russians will have the hardest time of it, since the La-7 is the only Soviet A/C that comes close to most of the German uber planes.  Regarding the Pnzr and the Ostwind for the Allies, I felt I had to give them that concession, since we don't have any late-war US or Brit tanks.  The Pnzr-IV is roughly equivalent to a number of late-war tanks, and is the Allies only hope of stopping the Tiger; the T-34 seems to be so much less effective against the Tiger.  The Ostwind is a stand in for Allied mobile AAA that we don't model.  I'm not trying to achieve perfect balance (an impossibility with our plane set).  I'm just trying to keep it from getting too lopsided.  Regards.

[Grits]

Originally posted by storch
minor point, why should the allies have the panzer or the ostwind?

M19 twin 40mm Bofors GMC in service in mid '44 and more than 300 of them built, while only 43 Osti's built. Osti is inferior in every way, but it will do as a sub.


M4A3 long barrell 76.2mm



Armor is inferior, speed/manuverability is better, gun is equal. Panzer IV was better, but its a close sub.

T-34 85mm. Better than the Panzer and made thousands more than any German tank. Panzer will do as a sub.




These subs seem justifiable to me.

[Mister Fork]

Originally posted by Larry
Edit: Also the russians did see considerate jet vs. prop battle. There were russians that were flying for the axis in Me262s wanting to get stalin out of command vs. other russians.
Here is a link to some of the A/C the Russian Liberation Army flew and it dosent show it but they also flew Ta152s with ROA markings.

TK - were talking about a handful of engagement the Soviets had against the Luftwaffe, not the regular daily smashing the Allies took from the German uber jets/rockets.

Good setup Sabre!