Franklin, LA

[Xargos]

I just got this E-mail a few hour ago.  Look how FEMA is trying to take over.


FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY:
Dear Friends,

 

We've been busy this week with assistance efforts for the victims of Hurricane Katrina.  We initially intended to locate a few families who needed assistance but we actually identified an entire town that could use our help – Franklin, LA.  

 

Let me take a minute to tell you about the situation in Franklin.

 

Once the levees broke in New Orleans, the churches in Franklin led by the mayor of Franklin immediately set up 15 shelters around their small town.  The first residents in the shelters were Red Cross volunteers who were lost on their way to New Orleans.  Upon leaving, the Red Cross told the leaders of Franklin that they were doing a great job and there was nothing that they could do better.  

 

The evacuees of New Orleans began to stream into Franklin shortly thereafter.  They took in 75 people the first night and the number quickly grew to 500.  The small community is doing its best to meet both immediate and long-term needs.  They have already relocated 40 families to new homes with the deposit, first-month's rent, and utilities paid.  So far, Franklin – with a population of 8,500 – has helped 3,500 people.

 

Franklin is doing the best job possible on their own without FEMA or government support.  Knowing this, the government is now trying to take over operations.  According to Brad Bullock, pastor of the one of the largest churches in the town, "they want the credit for doing a good job."  The mayor and the leaders of the community do not want FEMA to come in and mess things up with their red tape and bureaucracy.

 

I alerted you and other members earlier this week via e-mail to the situation in Franklin and the support is already coming in.  The great news about helping this community is that 100% of the donations sent to Franklin will go to the victims of Katrina.  

 

If you would like to support the victims of Katrina that are sheltered in Franklin, LA, please send support to the following address:

 

First Assembly of God
1096 Northwest Boulevard
Franklin, LA 70538

 

Specify "For Hurricane Relief" on all checks
 

Best Regards,

 

Shane Cory
Chief of Staff


National Libertarian Party

[Gunslinger]

THIS JUST IN:

Fema does not have workers and such who actually do help the victims.  THey are more or less a managment agency that directes red cross and other such organizations were they are needed the most.

This from a libertarian group is what's surprising the most.

If it was a liberal group I'd say something to the following:

HELP ME FEMA HELP ME....WAIT FEMAS TRYING TO HELP GET AWAY.


GJ to those in franklin btw.

[Xargos]

Gunslinger, no disrespect, but I think you need to take a look at what the Libertarians realy stand for.  Why do people insist that we are Commie bastads like the Democrats?  We believe in a very very small central Government,  No welfare, right to bear arms, freedom of the press, low low taxes, people being responsable for themselves, death penelty, state rights, right to abortion, relaxed drug laws and many other things.  Just take a look at the link in my sig.

[tikky]

Originally posted by Xargos
We believe in a very very small central Government,  No welfare, low low taxes,

On Small government

Now that's a recipe for weakening USA and relevance of USA will cease.


On no welfare and other programs and virtually no taxes.

Again that's a recipe for weakening USA and USA will look much like the XIX century (military and economy)


btw, at the start of 20th century, USA ranked behind the Dutch countries on military spending and capability. gotta be reeeeaaaally carefull when advocating small govs, virtual no tax, and no welfare.

[Goth]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
THIS JUST IN:

Fema does not have workers and such who actually do help the victims.  THey are more or less a managment agency that directes red cross and other such organizations were they are needed the most.

This from a libertarian group is what's surprising the most.

If it was a liberal group I'd say something to the following:

HELP ME FEMA HELP ME....WAIT FEMAS TRYING TO HELP GET AWAY.


GJ to those in franklin btw.

Gonna have to disagree with you a bit Gun. The Red Cross is not controlled at all by FEMA, but they do work well together. They are totally independent of each other.

If the Red Cross can provide support, FEMA steps back. FEMA does provide several programs such as housing and what they call "Other Needs Assistance". A person can get a grant up to $26,200.

There are several agencies that step in to help, independent of FEMA, such as SBA (Small Business Admin.) for very low interest loans, HUD, and voluntary agencies like Red Cross. Furthermore, if a person qualifies for SBA help, FEMA provides none. It is true that FEMA helps coordinate many assistance programs, they do also manage several assistance programs such as the Cora Brown fund.

Oh yeah...big to not only Franklin, but all the cities sheltering our people across the US.

[Xargos]

Welfare should be handled by the church.  Central Government should only handle Defence and printing of money.  Welfare is the reason for the decline of America.

[Gunslinger]

woa woa woa


let's take a step back here.......

first:  I agree with libertarions MORE than I agree with conservatism.  I was surprised that this came from the LP.

second:  I never said the red cross was controled by FEMA I said FEMA's job (among other things) is to direct agencies like the red cross to where they are needed most.

I am not defending FEMA they are a big govt beurocracy and heavily burdoned by red tape.  BUT, people have this impression that FEMA has all sorts of bull dozers and trucks and drivers and workers when truth be told they only have a little over 4k active workers.

They are a managment organization that is supposed to be able to coordinate between various levels of federal and state releif organizations as well as private ones.  They are a management type organizations with very little actual "trades" type of people.  

As mentioned earlier FEMA also hands out funds and releif money.  I'm sorry but I don't really buy or understand this letter.  It's a big rant about FEMA trying to take credit were a local organization succeeded.  What if they are heading in there because they can relocate people and hand out those debit cards that we keep hearing about, would that be such a bad thing?

Again I agree with almost everthing the LP stands for and even voted for Badnarik but this letter sounds well suspect to me.

[lazs2]

Point is... all government services that are paid for by taxes extrorted out of us are a waste of money.... even armies are wasteful but... we need em.

We don't need fema and atf and dea and epa and hud and a myriad of other federal agencies that do nothing but spend money and screw things up and/or make criminals out of people.

the government has a history of spending taxpayers money like water with no (good) result... they also have a history of trying to take over private charities and programs that work..

hud... huge failure so... they try to take over habitat for humanity which does work.... fema... huge failure so they try to take over church and other groups efforts so that they can call em "government programs".... drugs and booze....DEA  ATF  huge murdering failure so they  try to take over AA to show that they can help with drug problems...

It is their history... government won't help even if it could (or knew how) ... there is no money in actually working toward a solution...

Libertarians realize this but they are a conceptual group...  real short on getting anything done or protecting themselves or gaining political power.

lazs

[Torque]

i'm surprised fema didn't start dropping hay and salt licks.

doesn't the epa set the standards for polution control,  is that not why the govn't has to build and employ people to run sewages plants?

[lazs2]

torque... are you saying that before the epa there were no sewage treatment plants or water treatment plants?

The epa has increased the cost of sewage and water treatment plants 10 fold with no real science in most cases.   They can't even tell if you are makeing things better or worse.   They mostly go on aura.

lazs

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by lazs2
torque... are you saying that before the epa there were no sewage treatment plants or water treatment plants?

The epa has increased the cost of sewage and water treatment plants 10 fold with no real science in most cases.   They can't even tell if you are makeing things better or worse.   They mostly go on aura.

lazs

While I don't share laz's complete opinion I have seen first hand (especially while dealing with HAZMAT) were we've had unreasonable restrictions based on conclusions that "might" or "may" cause harm....not will/has/does/or did.....Might.

[lazs2]

guns... an EPA chick told me that they had to act on might because they couldn't count on karma to act fast enough.  Oh... she has never had a real job in her life.

lazs

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by lazs2
guns... an EPA chick told me that they had to act on might because they couldn't count on karma to act fast enough.  Oh... she has never had a real job in her life.

lazs

yup alot of these types of rules are written by college interns based on very little study or evidence.  I'm not saying that we should be allowed to dump acetone in a sump in our back yards I'm saying we have to have an MSDS for White Out because it might contain chemicals that COULD cause harm if used improperly.

[lazs2]

No one is advocating dumping acetone in a pit or even dumping our oil on the ground like we used to..

I think that people educated to real threats to the environment act in a responsible way...  

lazs

[Gunslinger]

yup some of it is pretty dumb and bass ackwards