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Offline Kweassa

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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2005, 05:46:15 AM »
Voss as he is going down;


 "LOL!  It only took FIVE of you, stupid gangbangers... if it wasn't for the stupid horde you wouldn't survive a fight for two minutes... that's right tard.. stay with the horde.. but one of those days you'll be alone.. such frickin' skill-less tards should learn some BFM and ACM.. and maybe them tards could actually prove to be an interesting fight.. blahblahblahblahblahblahblahb lahblahblahblahblahblahblahbl ahblahblahblahblahblahblahbla hblahblahblahblah..."
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 or was that RManiac?

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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2005, 07:29:35 AM »
That was good  Kweassa
 I about spit my coffee out my nose when I got to the Name!!

LOL

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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2005, 07:36:26 AM »
Voss is the greatest troll this comminity has ever known. People are still scampering around in the impact craters of his trolls. Elfenwolf can't hold a candle to him. Did airhead's trolls even earn him any money?

Props to Voss.

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2005, 02:18:23 PM »
my goodness

what has "virtual" V0SS done to this community? Whatt is he accused ofg?

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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2005, 02:27:54 PM »
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Did airhead's trolls even earn him any money?

 

No, but he's earned plenty of walks on the beach, hand in hand, with many FDB. :)

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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2005, 02:45:16 PM »
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my goodness

what has "virtual" V0SS done to this community? Whatt is he accused ofg?


What rock have you been under Ike?
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2005, 03:31:20 PM »
Voss ? dindt he also ride naked on a nuckear missil and avoided ww3 under his CIA period ( just like that )?
I am a Norwegian eating my fish, and still let my wife mess me around in stupid shops...

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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2005, 07:56:49 PM »
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Yeah, but at low to medium altitude, that Dr1(F1) would stay comfortably above the SE5a's. It climbed like a bat out of hell.
Manfred von Richtofen was quoted as saying "It maneuvered like the devil and climbed like a monkey."  


The Dr.1, the German version of the Sopwith Triplane.

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2005, 12:57:22 AM »
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The Dr.1, the German version of the Sopwith Triplane.


Yeah, but the Dr.1 was better. The first Dr.1's were designated F, not Dr.
When Richtofen flew his Albatross against the Sopwith Tripe, he saw just how superior the maneuverability and most particularly the climb advantage it had. That started the seed of the Fokker Triplane idea.
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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2005, 04:59:42 AM »
I have read that despite its fame (Von Richtofen, and Werner Voss both fought and died in them), and success in the hands of a few aces the Fokker Dr1 was not a popular fighter with many in the German Air Service. They complained of its comparative slow speed (@110mph) and poor diving abilities. It was a very manueverable fighter though, no question of that.  It was largely phased out of service by the summer of 1918.

It remains as one of the primary symbols of WW1 aviation of course because of "The Red Baron".
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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2005, 05:59:57 AM »
Well although the design was sound for its intended purposes, great maneuverability and climb, the time of the "lone wolf" type of plane for one on one dogfights had passed. Most kills were to be had by advantage and surprise.
Some of the early Dr.1's had a bad habit of shedding its upper fabric, causing cautistophic failure. Seems the aileron was coming unhinged because of the moisture buildup inside the wing. That led to the unfortunate chain of events of the aileron coming off, taking the upper wing fabric with it, causing a failure to actually stay airborne. A couple of pilots (Gonterman and Pastor) suffered that failure and ended up dying.  
Fokker's triplanes were grounded.
Subsequent planes had a beefed up aileron hinge assembly and water proof glue. Most pilots were wary of flying it.

One pilot who seemed to enjoy fighting his triplane was Jacobs. He modified his by puting a more powerful engine/prop assembly from a captured/shot down Sopwith Camel.

Once the D.VII became readily available, the triplane fleet was regulated to back up duty as it was removed from the front lines.
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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2005, 08:51:22 AM »
Natural evolution I guess. Triplanes were thought to be king, then faster biplanes, then faster monoplanes...

Speed and climb won over manueverbility.
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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2005, 09:14:13 AM »
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Yeah, but the Dr.1 was better. The first Dr.1's were designated F, not Dr.
When Richtofen flew his Albatross against the Sopwith Tripe, he saw just how superior the maneuverability and most particularly the climb advantage it had. That started the seed of the Fokker Triplane idea.


The 1st Fokker triplane was serialed Dr.1 100/17. The next 3 were serialed F.1 101/17, F.1 102/17 and  F.1 103/17. The 4th triplane was serialed Dr.1 104/17.

Yes the Sopwith was slow but that much slower than the Dr.1, that is why the British were phasing them out as the Dr.1 was making its appearance.

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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2005, 12:14:36 PM »
I thought the very first was designated with V. Didn't have the vertical wing brace.

The British realized the need for a second gun and high speed (not nec climb) were essential for the next generation. The Germans caught on too late. The SE5a was not know for climb. In a real world dogfight (TnB) situation it was a dog.

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The first Dr.1's were designated F, not Dr.

I should have made clear "operational" in my statement.
Voss and his F.103/17 tangled, and lost against the SE5a's of 56th Squadron.
Had this been the "avg" squad of pilots, Voss might very well have won the fight. It was his misfortune he went against a better than avg skilled group.
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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2005, 12:18:53 PM »
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Natural evolution I guess. Triplanes were thought to be king, then faster biplanes, then faster monoplanes...

Speed and climb won over manueverbility.


It was speed and higher altitude performance. The ability to "BnZ" by surprise was the better way to fight.
Not many planes could stay with the triplanes in a climbing fight.
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