Originally posted by Spongebob
seatbelt laws save OTHER peoples lives therefore they are good.
YES... and one day, the life that's saved could be mine - or yours.
Jackal!!!
I have seen you use this a few times here. I am getting sort of curious. Are you saying that a registered charity, (whatever that truly means), singlehandedly put a law on the books? Is that what you are saying? The people and the government had nothing to do with it at all?
I'm saying that RoSPA was behind the original law, and yes - RoSPA is a registered charity. Click
here for source.
Thousands of motorists who have survived crashes because of the seatbelt law introduced 20 years ago this week can thank the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents they are alive. It was RoSPA that was behind the original law...
Did the bright light hurt your eyes when it became clear what we are discussing here?
Too right it did!!! I'm still seing an after image of green stars!!! After all your rhetoric about being the land of the free, of having guns so that you can sort out your govt if it starts acting up, of being able to change things you don't like - all the while taunting Britain/the rest of the world that we have no choice but to "bend over" because we're mere "subjects" of the queen... and then it transpires that you have "grass cops"!!! ROFL - I was flat on my back for the next 2 hours! I've just read Toad's grass cops link.
Your polls?? What do they mean? I don`t doubt that you are going to get a majority that participates who say everything is peachy creamy and that`s what they want. They are the "don`t rock my boat" crowd looking for a way to justify their bending over. When and if the time comes, what good are they? None. They won`t stand up when their personal rights are being taken away and they are certainly not going to get involved in anything they might appear to come out on the losing end of. In essence your majority has became the minority simply because they will not get involved NO MATTER WHAT.
LOL - you, sir, are absolutely flat out dead
WRONG. I am a member of the Association of British Drivers, though it was not on their website that I posted my poll, but another, similar one. Much of the campaign work is against the government's speed camera policy of using high tech cameras to trap motorists and collect millions in fines.
On the 30th April, a massive protest was held on the M4 motorway - a go slow to draw attention to the cause. It was a significant success in the campaign against speed cameras. Read about it :
http://www.m4protest.orgThere's more:
http://www.abd.org.uk/local/wiltshire.htmA huge protest was held on Saturday 30th April in which some 400 vehicles drove slowly along the M4 between junctions 14 and 17. They were supported by many more people standing on bridges over the motorway.
And read about this campaign:
http://www.jbaird.org.uk/abd/paul-release56.html If you'll follow that link, you'll find that the campaign had this result:
In a landmark case in Salisbury Magistrates court today 28 motorists had speeding cases dismissed because the temporary speed limit signs had not been displayed properly. An estimated 5,000 more motorists have paid their fine and are entitled to refunds and compensation.
I told you I always substantiated what I said with links/facts, but nooooooo - you didn't believe me.
You imply that my poll is worthless, which of course it is to a closed mind like yours. Your mind is already made up - and you wouldn't like the FACTS to get in the way now would you? You've got it stuck in your blinkered mind that Britain is a nation of people who
"won`t stand up when their personal rights are being taken away and they are certainly not going to get involved in anything they might appear to come out on the losing end of" And you are of course wrong. Refer to the FACTS ^
Face it, Jackal. You don't know me, you don't know Britain. You have no business pumping out your falsehoods about Britain. You've never been here, and yet you spout rhetoric which at best is decades out of date.
Stick to doing what you do best, and know something about - like mowing the lawn.
I bet you have one of those rotary mowers with a recoil pull-start - I can just see you, having to "bend over" to reach it when the grass cops tell you it's time to mow your lawn!
Mr. Toad! Ah, how refreshing to be talking to someone who at least appreciates the FACTS.
I've covered a lot of ground in my reply to jackal, but you did say this:
So let's see... you poll a British Road Safety BBS about a law touted by the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents.
The BBS I polled could more accurately be described as a campaign group standing up for the rights of motorists. We believe in road safety, but we also believe that road safety is an issue affected by many factors, of which speed is only one. There are several other sites that exist to target government policy. This government uses as its yardstick of success the fact that millions of £ are being collected in fines by trapping unsuspecting motorists by the use of speed cameras. We believe that there is more to road safety than simply the issue of speed.
As for the poll itself, once again, it was not about the seatbelt law itself. Everyone knows that the result of that law has been a huge reduction in RTA fatalities. No, my poll was to ask people if they felt the law was a
nannying issue. Current poll status 14-5 in favour of the law, but with 175 having browsed the thread. That lends some weight to what I said earlier - a great many people (80%?) don't feel strongly one way or another, and probably wouldn't bother to wear a seatbelt, but could be encouraged to if the law says you must.
