Lithuania: NATO membership = ignoring international agreements?

[Boroda]

http://mosnews.com/news/2005/09/20/lithstatementonsu.shtml

Those Lithuanian politicians definetly suffer from thought-producing gangle atrophy.

It's obvious that a Russian fighter suffered in an accident. AFAIK in this case a crew should be immediately released as well as aircraft or wreck. I find this "staged and planned crash" hallucinations absolutely ridiculous.

Toad, can you educate us on this topic? Seriously! Thanks in advance!

[Jackal1]

Hehe! I love the spin.


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"Russian officials gave conflicting reports of why the jet had entered Lithuanian airspace."

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"In May, Finland complained that Russian military aircraft had repeatedly violated its airspace for several months. The violations allegedly took place over the Gulf of Finland in the Baltic Sea as the fighter jets flew to and from Kaliningrad.

Similar alleged violations by Russian planes have been reported in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. In November, the Estonian government filed an official complaint with Moscow, but said none was serious enough to merit intervention by the four NATO fighters that patrol the Baltics' airspace."
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  That and the two missiles that were reportedly found at the sight.
  I wonder why they are being cautious and not biting off into the apple?

[Simaril]

Originally posted by Boroda
Lithuania: NATO membership = ignoring international agreements?  

Anybody remember international agreements like the Helsinki accords? Seem to remember some controversy about one of the signatories at the time...

[Furball]

cant blame the pilots, their air force probably cant afford maps to navigate.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Furball
cant blame the pilots, their air force probably cant afford maps to navigate.

They were using old AW maps. They were headed for Mog and ended up at Twi.

[Russian]

Isn’t this is the same country that made memorials to SS soldiers and still waving swastika proudly? Not surprising at all….

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Russian
Isn’t this is the same country that made memorials to SS soldiers and still waving swastika proudly? Not surprising at all….

Nazis werent the first to use swastika.

We, finns, still do proudly use the "swastika", which we've had since the independency.
It exists in some medals, in the flag of a unit......
Some of us, those who knows the history well, do also honor our Waffen-SS "volunteers" (1. they were having harsh times under german command, 2. they wanted to fight against russians, the enemy of their homeland, 3. they didn't participate in the attrocities. No reason to be ashamed of these guys).

However, I don't know the background of the Lithuanian swastika.
So all I'm saying, is that all swastikas aren't automatically bad - it is ignorant to claim so.

[Russian]

See Rule #5

[VOR]

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[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda
Toad, can you educate us on this topic? Seriously! Thanks in advance!

Well, I used to think that if a foreign aircraft accidentally violated a nation's airspace that it either be escorted out of that airspace, directed to land at the nearest suitable airfield or rendered any possible assistance.

However, I since have been educated on this board.

I now know that ANY foreign airspace that violates even an inch of a sovereign country's airspace should be immediately shot down.

[Fishu]

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[1K3]

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[VILKAS]

Originally posted by Russian
Isn’t this is the same country that made memorials to SS soldiers and still waving swastika proudly? Not surprising at all….

After 55 years, I had the means to vist my bith country Lithuania !

A lot has changed, some for the better and some for the  ???????

My cousin, who happens to live in the same house that my father built, and served in the Russian Army as Sergant,  took  us through our childhood memories.
I am sorry to say, I did not come across anywhere that a swastika was displayed. Sure I aggree, just like the skinheads in Canada, USA and  Manson, who had a tattoo put on his forhead,  thought that wearing swastika as german SS did, would give them their wish - power ! so some skinheads do exist even in Lithuania.!

I my home town, in the middle of town, is a small cemetery, for the fallen russian soldiers, among them is Stalins son, who was
a fighter pilot..it is beautifully looked after, all headstones red marble.  So why do we keep grudges, that shorten our lives, new day should tell us, "Yes many of us did wrong, but today lets make it right"

I am not saying that you or the others are wrong thinking as you and the others do!, but why not let bygones be bygones.


I hope that I did not offened anyone...I said only, the way it is.

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[Pooh21]

Originally posted by Fishu




Germans have already suffered and paid for following the austrian corporal, but yet they're forced to pay and suffer even more.
Germans have been made so passive that they couldn't hurt a mouse in fear and shame of getting labeled as a nazi.

Is that rightful, against a generation that was born after the wars and been taught throughoutly of their past?
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Its true
i was in school  and I said to an israeli friendly classmate hey, maybe we as the good guys could like try to let only the palestinians kill women and children. And suddenly I was a holocaust denying anti sematic fool. he must have said nevar ferget! 20 times in the next 3 minutes.
my German wife also claims that the german national anthem today is different from the one in the nazi times, even though it is the same song written in the 1870s

[Masherbrum]

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