Lithuania: NATO membership = ignoring international agreements?

[straffo]

See Rule #2, #5

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Russian
Isn�t this is the same country that made memorials to SS soldiers and still waving swastika proudly? Not surprising at all�.

You mix Latvia with Lithuania.

Latvia has government support for SS criminals, not Lithuania. In Latvia I may go to prison for my avatar, while SS bastards march in the streets in nazi uniforms and get flowers from their neonazi government.

In Lithuania SS service was quite unpopular IIRC, because nazis took away Klaipeda (Memel), while USSR gave Lithuania a significant territory, including their historical capital, Vilnus (Vilno).

[Boroda]

Originally posted by VILKAS
I my home town, in the middle of town, is a small cemetery, for the fallen russian soldiers, among them is Stalins son, who was
a fighter pilot..it is beautifully looked after, all headstones red marble.  So why do we keep grudges, that shorten our lives, new day should tell us, "Yes many of us did wrong, but today lets make it right"

I know that Soviet military cemeteries are kept with care and respect in Lithuania. But Vassiliy Stalin is buried in Kazan', Tatar republic, it's their local pride

Originally posted by VILKAS
I am not saying that you or the others are wrong thinking as you and the others do!, but why not let bygones be bygones.

I hope that I did not offened anyone...I said only, the way it is.

Sorry for being a little provocative, I am sorry if I offended your feelings, but I have to say that now Lithuania is an enemy of my country, and it's a sad fact.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
Well, I used to think that if a foreign aircraft accidentally violated a nation's airspace that it either be escorted out of that airspace, directed to land at the nearest suitable airfield or rendered any possible assistance.

However, I since have been educated on this board.

I now know that ANY foreign airspace that violates even an inch of a sovereign country's airspace should be immediately shot down.

Toad, it's not an answer I asked for

I see some difference between violation of souverign airspace and a planned flight agreed by both sides.

So - what about aircrafts and crews who suffered in accident? Russian definition is "terpet' bedstviye" (терпеть бедствие), Ligvo dictionary doesn't give me a direct translation of this term, only "crash" or "to be wrecked".

Lithuania is a "limitrophe", and it doesn't have and even can't afford any aircraft defence, they destroyed what was left to them by USSR, and NATO "allies" that have bases there failed to do their job of "protecting" Lithuanian airpace. It only proves that they are in Lithuania not for protection.

[Fishu]

See Rule #5

[Boroda]

Fishu, that Su-27 was on a planned route over Lithuania. It suffered from an accident. In this case international laws say that both pilot and aircraft must be immediately returned.

They got soooo happy because this fighter is probably worth more then their whole armed forces. It also has classified equipment on board, like FoF answering and weapon-control systems that are not installed on export versions.

I think that an adequate answer to hostile actions of Lithuanian and NATO authorities had to be a bomb/missile strike to destroy the wreck that was in enemy hands.

[Fishu]

For russians it's always nice to refer to the international law when they want something, but ignored when the others wants something.

[Toad]

I still say if you cross one inch into the sacred sovereign airspace of the Lithuanian motherland you should immediately be shot down. After all, it is clear you are spying.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Boroda
Fishu, that Su-27 was on a planned route over Lithuania.  

  The aircraft veered from the corridor and entered their airspace.
  Seems the russian airforce has a lot of "accidents" in regards to airspace.

[Mathman]

This is all a NATO conspiracy.  Russian planes do not crash.

[Russian]

Originally posted by Boroda
You mix Latvia with Lithuania.

 

I though so. btw,
there's a good discussion on this at suikoy BB.

[VILKAS]

Originally posted by Boroda
I know that Soviet military cemeteries are kept with care and respect in Lithuania. But Vassiliy Stalin is buried in Kazan', Tatar republic, it's their local pride

 

Sorry for being a little provocative, I am sorry if I offended your feelings, but I have to say that now Lithuania is an enemy of my country, and it's a sad fact.

 Hi Boroda
No you did not offend me, it is hard to offend someone that is pushing 76th year!
I can not agree or disagree with you where Vassiliy Stalin is put to rest !...As a matter of fact, I read that both of us can be correct!
As I stated before, the cemetery in my hometown Lithuania, on the monument dedicated to the Russian soldiers, states (if I can remember)...." Here Vassiliy Stalin, son of Josef Stalin, fighter pilot, is put to rest among brave Russian sodiers, we thank them for their sacriface...my they rest in pease"....

As for small Lithuania, being an enemy to the large country Russia, ...... maybe to some!..but not to me.. if not for nice Russian Officers, my father would have died somewere in the North of Russia...the other side of Ural mountains !

Therefore Boroda....as far as I am...U R a friend...like it or not !!!

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[airguard]

Originally posted by Fishu
See Rule #4, #5

Too much Vodka today Fishu ? SS was and is a terrible sign for most of us " uneduacated" people

[Lizard3]

See Rule #4, #5

[Fishu]

Originally posted by airguard
Too much Vodka today Fishu ? SS was and is a terrible sign for most of us " uneduacated" people

Nope, it's just that I honor those who were made part of the war, regardless of the nationship and the army, as long as their actions were creditable.
I've studied the history to make difference between the SS and Waffen-SS and between some of the groups within the organization and learned the fate of several Waffen-SS soldiers and their units.

Without any shame, by what I've learned of the finnish "volunteer" troops in the Waffen-SS, I honor them at least as much as any finnish soldier.
They had to not only fight against the enemy, but against the greatly different german training and command methods.

The finnish Waffen-SS troops were not the only ones of their kind.