Author Topic: One Nation Under God? (Read 2442 times)

weazel · « **on:** September 19, 2001, 04:54:00 PM »

'I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one nation, under God,indivisible, and with liberty and justice for all.'

Where, and who are the 'men of God' in our country?

We have been wounded badly, our grief and anger as a Nation are possibly the highest ever in history.

I pray that no weapons of mass destruction are in the hands of terrorists and that no government will utilize any.

Where are the men of god these days, and are we spiritually bankrupt as a nation?

The Islamic fanatics and some ministers in the US seem to agree we are.

I'm afraid we're in for worse than Tom Clancy's imagination could provide - with a far nastier ending to the story.

leonid · « **Reply #1 on:** September 19, 2001, 05:05:00 PM »

People seem to be talkiong about God a lot these days. Here's an interesting article on that whole thing.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #2 on:** September 19, 2001, 05:16:00 PM »

Um... do you really have any idea what you are talking about weazel?

Try reading the Bible some day. Hell.. you don't even have to read the whole thing... just Genesis and Exodus.

Read it, then come back here and dictate what men of God will, won't, should or shouldn't do.

AKDejaVu

Hobodog · « **Reply #3 on:** September 19, 2001, 05:20:00 PM »

Sandman · « **Reply #4 on:** September 19, 2001, 05:31:00 PM »

I like this one better...

I solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.

ispar · « **Reply #5 on:** September 19, 2001, 06:06:00 PM »

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Originally posted by weazel:
'I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one nation, under God,indivisible, and with liberty and justice for all.'

Where, and who are the 'men of God' in our country?

We have been wounded badly, our grief and anger as a Nation are possibly the highest ever in history.

I pray that no weapons of mass destruction are in the hands of terrorists and that no government will utilize any.

Where are the men of god these days, and are we spiritually bankrupt as a nation?

The Islamic fanatics and some ministers in the US seem to agree we are.

I'm afraid we're in for worse than Tom Clancy's imagination could provide - with a far nastier ending to the story.

Spiritually bankrupt? No, I think not. The fact that you don't see religion creeping its way into schools, politics and other public venues is a good thing. I think on an individual level, America is quite spiritual. However, for a government to function fairly it must be secular. Just look at the Teliban.

-ammo- · « **Reply #6 on:** September 19, 2001, 06:18:00 PM »

Devout Bible believing Churches are on their knee's praying, that's where they are.

They put their faith in God Almighty, not in themselves, people on this BBS, or in the President of the USA. They are praitng for God to give this Nations leader(s) the discernment to make the right descision. They are praying for this country to have a revival of heart, to point their individual minds and hearts to God. They are Praying for God to Bless this nation, and to forgive it for turning its back on God. They are praying for quickness and resolve for this nations men and women in the armed forces. the list goes on.

The origional pledge of Allegiance is certainly more appropriate.

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AKSWulfe · « **Reply #7 on:** September 19, 2001, 06:35:00 PM »

I wonder if America thought the same thing at the onset of WWII?

It's kind of like the same thing we are going through today. Religious communities see this as an act of their god and some see this as the beginning of the end of the world.

The doom n gloom isn't necessary, afterall the catholic god supposedly knows everything we do before we do it. So if this is the end of the world, we can't stop it if it's already going to happen...
-SW

Sandman · « **Reply #8 on:** September 19, 2001, 07:17:00 PM »

In my extremely cynical view, religion got us into this mess. I highly doubt that it will get us out of it.

...but that's just me.

Your beliefs are your own. The fact that I may or may not share them doesn't diminish my love or support for this country and its people.

mrfish · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2001, 07:19:00 PM »

well, back to back wars and endless untold suffering have been part of god's magic and mysterious plan since recorded history - maybe we should have a little more faith in ourselves for a change.

maybe if we live in the here and now instead of waiting for some eternal disneyland we'll make the real world a better place. what's so scary about the abyss? why does it make everyone need an invisible daddy?

these silly god fantasies have caused enough trouble already.

-ammo- · « **Reply #10 on:** September 19, 2001, 07:31:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:
In my extremely cynical view, religion got us into this mess. I highly doubt that it will get us out of it.

...but that's just me.

Your beliefs are your own. The fact that I may or may not share them doesn't diminish my love or support for this country and its people.

I respect your right to believe as you will, just as I assume you do mine. My beliefs are held by millions, although I am no spokesmen for them. I too love this country, and its people. Second only to Christ Himself. I am AD USAF for 13.5 years and enjoy doignwhat i do for not a whole lot of money

Sandman · « **Reply #11 on:** September 19, 2001, 07:43:00 PM »

FWIW, I served the USN for 10 years. I continue to work for the USN as a civilian and I'm quite happy with the pay I receive.

As for the Pledge... I'm proof that we are not one nation under god, nor do I pledge allegiance to the flag, a mere symbol of something much greater.

That said... if it fits within your beliefs, go right ahead. Please try not to frown at me or people like me while you're doing it.

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Vulcan · « **Reply #12 on:** September 19, 2001, 07:57:00 PM »

Note that Christianity includes every little branch of it, and a whole pile of people who say the believe in 'something':

Christianity: 2 billion

Islam: 1.3 billion

Hinduism: 900 million

Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 850 million

Buddhism: 360 million

Chinese traditional religion: 225 million

primal-indigenous: 190 million

Sikhism: 23 million

Yoruba religion: 20 million

Juche: 19 million

Spiritism: 14 million

Judaism: 14 million

Baha'i: 6 million

Jainism: 4 million

Shinto: 4 million

Cao Dai: 3 million

Tenrikyo: 2.4 million

Neo-Paganism: 1 million

Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

Scientology: 750 thousand

Rastafarianism: 700 thousand

Zoroastrianism: 150 thousand

So, Osama's beliefs (well some of them) are held by a billion or so too, that doesn't make him absolutely right.

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Originally posted by -ammo-:
My beliefs are held by millions, although I am no spokesmen for them.

Sandman · « **Reply #13 on:** September 19, 2001, 08:03:00 PM »

Bin Laden's beliefs are not held by a billion Islams. He's a zealot.

Compare him with Falwell and Robertson... many if not most Christians do not share the beliefs of these two.

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funkedup · « **Reply #14 on:** September 19, 2001, 08:13:00 PM »

A better comparison would be the "Christians" who murder abortionists.