Author Topic: High Plains Drifter (Read 1471 times)

Widewing · « **Reply #30 on:** October 01, 2005, 12:02:29 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
best eastwood westerns? allmost all of em but.. Unforgiven #1 then josey whales tie for the rest..

The searchers and hour of the gun for older westerns

The shootist for Wayne.

Wild bunch and open range... even costner didn't screw it up too much.

Best shootouts had to be the wild bunch and open range.

lazs

Yeah, Open Range was extremely well done... Except for the half-second delay between when Costner fired the Winchester and the bullet splashed the water trough... Great muzzle velocity; about 50 fps.. LOL Needed a faster guy on that det board!

I enjoyed the beginning of the shootout scene where Costner's character caught the gunfighter braggin' and not ready for his opening move.

My regards,

Widewing

Widewing · « **Reply #31 on:** October 01, 2005, 12:24:48 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
most of the real gunfighters weren't particularly fast.... most often they didn't even get the first shot off... they allways got the killing one off tho.

lazs

Very true.... Some gunfighters referred to this quality as "deliberation".

A rule usually used by those who hoped to live a long life was NOT to engage in a "fair fight". Sometimes they'd simply shoot them down the instant their enemy stepped onto the street.

I forget the guy's name, a detective for Wells Fargo (Hume, perhaps), but this guy preferred a Winchester carbine or a 10 ga shotgun to a hand gun. As I'm sure lazs knows better than most, a 16" or 20" lever carbine is helluva lot more able than a 44-40 or 45 LC revolver. Later Winchester actions, like the 1886 and 1892 (Browning designs) were nearly as fast as a modern semi-auto. One of the preferred Winchesters of the late 19th century was the model 1892 chambered in .32-20 WCF. Low recoil, super-slick and fast action. Very little muzzle flip meant that all rounds would likely be on or damn close to the target, even when cycling 2 or more rounds a second. Very popular with law officers wanting a fast, low recoil carbine for both close and medium distances.

My regards,

Widewing

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #32 on:** October 01, 2005, 12:26:22 PM »

" You went out there to talk , why did you have to shoot the man!!!
" The conversation kinda dried up ma'am"

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #33 on:** October 01, 2005, 12:34:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
John Wayne wanted to do a western with Clint Eastwood for several years. Until Eastwood did "High Plains Drifter".

"Rio Bravo" was done because John Wayne and John Ford thought that "High Noon" was all wrong, with the sheriff begging for help. It worked so well they did "ElDorado" and "Rio Lobo". The James Cann character Mississippi in "ElDorado" was supposed to be a total fool, but he played it mostly straight and the director loved it. I bought a big Appaloosa stud after I watched "ElDorado". We watched it years later, long after the horse was killed by lightning, and my wife said "isn't John Wayne's horse ugly?" I thought my brother would die laughing.

When John Wayne hit Bruce Dern in "The Cowboys", Bruce Dern spent the next SIX WEEKS in a neck brace.

I always thought the worst looking hit in a western was probably when John Wayne hit George Kennedy in the face with a pick handle in "The Sons of Katie Elder". I still flinch every time I see it.

The darkest, most bitter version of Wyatt Earp was probably done by James Garner in "Hour of the Gun".

"Tombstone" would have been Robert Mitchum's last movie, but Mitchum was hurt in an accident with a horse, so they had him narrarate it instead.

They say John Wayne was barely in the top ten of the fastest actors with a sixgun. The fastest was Jerry Lewis. Sammy Davis Jr. was close to the top. One of the smoothest and fastest was James Garner. James Arness, Matt Dillon from "Gunsmoke" was actually VERY slow. Steve McQueen was barely in the top ten as well. Dean Martin was fast. I used to have a clip where Bob Munden (holds the record for fastdraw) went through the top 20.
Kind of funny to see how many I thought were fast weren't even in the top 20.

It's kind of funny, but there's a big group of actors listed at IMDB.com as "one of a group commonly used by John Wanye in his movies". James Garner had a group he used a lot as well.

"Well, let's just say I'm on your side, and this is no........ job for amatuers."

"The Searchers" Which was probably one of the best jobs as an actor Wayne did was the only movie he tried method acting in.
Afterwards he swore he'd never do it again

guess he had problems getting out of charactor

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #34 on:** October 01, 2005, 12:40:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts

In the middle of the last part of that movie is a scene where Jim Hutton, playing the friend and son-in-law to John Wayne is in trouble in South America, and John Wayne comes done with a plane load of equipment. It's an Air Force transport, and as the nose door drops, you see John Wayne standing there in his cowboy hat, riding jacket, and boots, smiling and waving. I looked at my wife and said, "I'd like to see that damned near as much as I'd like to see my own father again." Damned sure wouldn't do this country any harm either.

Yea.

but I think if Wayne were around now he'd be pretty disgusted at what we've become.

A place where men are no longer expected to and in some cases allowed to be men.
Nobody stands for anything anymore.
Political correctness would drive him bonkers

As much as I'd love to see him again. I think he probably checked out and just the right time

Sandman · « **Reply #35 on:** October 01, 2005, 12:59:39 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK

but I think if Wayne were around now he'd be pretty disgusted at what we've become.

I think was Marion Morrison was just another actor... and his opinion means dick.

lazs2 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 01, 2005, 02:22:45 PM »

yep... you never take a handgun when you can take a rifle or shotgun but the old 44 40 or 45 colt was still a very good manstopper if you hit the guy..

What lever actions did then they can still do. very good gun in a practiced hand for carbine ranges... the old 45-70 is still unbeatable for penetration.

in open range tho.. while it was very neat... it did show single action colts being fanned with virtually no recoil... some 8 shooters too..

One scene was kinda to the point widewing makes about rifles... when they board their horses and are going to see the crooked sheriff... Duval says "hold on" as the guy leads the horse away and they both grab lever actions out of the saddle scabbards even tho they both have holstered sidearms.

most gunfights were either close enough to set the guys clothes on fire (literaly) or multiple pistol rounds were fired with few if any hits.... only the best... the most "deliberate" would score hits... and a hit with a 250 grain slug would really put a man down.

lazs

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #37 on:** October 01, 2005, 03:19:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
I think was Marion Morrison was just another actor... and his opinion means dick.

then you obviously do not know much about Marion Morrison
and nobody really gives a rats arse what you think

Shifty · « **Reply #38 on:** October 01, 2005, 03:37:02 PM »

My favorite westerns in order
1 The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
2 Outlaw Josey Wales
3 Big Jake

John Wayne's opinon means nothing??
Okay I'll buy that if you throw Barbera Striesands, Sean Penns, Alec Baldwins, Susan Sorandens, and Tim Robbins, opinons under the same bus.

Sandman · « **Reply #39 on:** October 01, 2005, 03:41:44 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
then you obviously do not know much about Marion Morrison
and nobody really gives a rats arse what you think

60 years ago they could pull off this "American Icon" bull****.

Today, not so much.

lazs2 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 01, 2005, 05:57:26 PM »

who is "they"?

lazs

Sandman · « **Reply #41 on:** October 01, 2005, 06:10:50 PM »

The agents of popular culture.

Panzzer · « **Reply #42 on:** October 01, 2005, 06:21:19 PM »

I've always liked the "Pale Rider", although the best IMO is "For A Few Dollars More"... It's got everything a good western needs - except pretty women.. And the second one in my list is the "Outlaw Josey Wales"...

Squire · « **Reply #43 on:** October 01, 2005, 06:47:42 PM »

"The Man who shot Liberty Valance for the Duke", and maybe "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon". Both classics.

"Outlaw Josey Wales" for Eastwood. Hands down.

"The Wild Bunch" was a snuff film hehe. Just j/k, William Holden was great in that one.

I rather liked "The Mussouri Breaks" with Jack Nicholson and Marlon Brando, thats one on my all time faves.

"Open Range" was quite good. You have to like Robert Duvall in any western...and Costner was ok too.

Shuckins · « **Reply #44 on:** October 01, 2005, 09:00:25 PM »

"To hell with them fellas. Buzzards have gotta eat too."

"You gonna pull them pistols or whistle Dixie?"