"near miss" heavy bombs give GVs pw's

[frank3]

Originally posted by Lye-El
I dropped on a tiger from a 190 four days ago. *BOOM*

We're talking of dropping bombs, not yourself

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Oleg
If you hit tank with 250lb you will kill him surely. I did it myself more than once with 100kg from La5FN.
Killing tank with 1000lb'es is just plain easy.

P.S. I mean Panzers, may be Tiger is another story

I hit a Tiger with a 500lb bomb once (got the hit sprite and all) and didn't kill it.  Didn't even hurt it.

[frank3]

Maybe it just went straight trough it


But I agree, that Tiger is way too strong, and bombs should do a little more damage (maybe ALOT)

[CBFASI]

Originally posted by frank3
I'm quite sure a heavy tank like the Tiger won't flip, a Sherman on the other hand...

There some nice information somewhere about a unit of Tigers in Normandy that got attacked by Lancasters.. most where destroyed by either direct hits or near misses, many flipping the 50ton beasts..

It certainly would be nice to have a better bomb effect on gv's, would mean less of a requirement to run up heavy bombers to hit heavy gv's

[lasersailor184]

The problem here isn't the toughness of GV's, but the readily availableness of bombs.


Anyone can take 1000lb bombs without a problem.  So why should tanks who are completely vulnerable to airplanes be even more so?


Fix the bomb problem, then fix the GV problem.

[Krusty]

Um.. dude, wtf? Are you even reading the thread?

Bombs, even 99% near hits, DON'T DO SQUAT. The REASON we're using 1k bombs so freakin' much is because the GV damage is porked! Nothing else will kill them, not even dead-on hits!

FIX THAT, and you won't see so many 1k bombs, I tellyawhut.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Oleg
And dont say about how deadly blast wave for tank crew, please. Its just ridiculous.

If footage from 15K+ shows VISIBLE concussive balloons from each bomb drop, for even SMALL bombs, for 500lbs and less, from tens of THOUSANDS of feet up you can see the initial blast, then you tell me what a 1000lb bomb is going to do if you're outside of crater range but inside the "blast zone". You're dead. Period. If you think otherwise, you watch too many '60s movies, with their "clean" wars.

[Oleg]

Originally posted by Krusty
you can see the initial blast, then you tell me what a 1000lb bomb is going to do if you're outside of crater range but inside the "blast zone". You're dead. Period.

This is just your opinion. Facts said others. Blast can not hurt armor unless it very close. Blast wave can not pass through armor unless hatchs open.

[Lye-El]

If footage from 15K+ shows VISIBLE concussive balloons from each bomb drop, for even SMALL bombs, for 500lbs and less, from tens of THOUSANDS of feet up you can see the initial blast, then you tell me what a 1000lb bomb is going to do if you're outside of crater range but inside the "blast zone". You're dead. Period. If you think otherwise, you watch too many '60s movies, with their "clean" wars.

Quonset hut fighter hangers should also be vunerable to blast effect from quite a distance out, no need to actually hit the hangers. After all, they are less sturdy than a tank especially a Tiger. My Jabo score would go up as I generally do the near miss thing. Perk the 1000lb'er. The bomber guys keep posting they need something to spend their bomber perks on.

The shock wave does not equal "blast zone". The shock wave travels much farther than the effects of the blast.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Lye-El
Quonset hut fighter hangers should also be vunerable to blast effect from quite a distance out, no need to actually hit the hangers. After all, they are less sturdy than a tank especially a Tiger. My Jabo score would go up as I generally do the near miss thing. Perk the 1000lb'er. The bomber guys keep posting they need something to spend their bomber perks on.

The shock wave does not equal "blast zone". The shock wave travels much farther than the effects of the blast.

If you drop 3000 lbs inbetween the 2 fighter hangers on a medium field you kill both.  So the blast might have a concution factor. Just a thought.


Bronk

[Oleg]

Originally posted by Lye-El
The shock wave does not equal "blast zone". The shock wave travels much farther than the effects of the blast.

"Blast zone" is a fiction. There is no such thing for conventional HE bomb.
Explosion occurs in very small space, mostly within bomb itself (if we dont talk about fuel-air explosives). Damage factors of any explosion are light, high temperature, blast overpressure (blast wave) and fragments (if exist). Blast wave (in combination with high temperature) kills peoples who are too close to explosion, not mystical "blast zone". Blast wave can complitely destroy tank if it very close. But it decrease quickly with range and cannt pass through armor leave it undamaged but crew killed.

[Sketch]

Do you even know what a shock wave would do to a building?  It is an impact that is not 'really' there.  It still does damage...in a sense.  Just using 100' of Det. Cord you still feel the shock wave on your chest when your standing 200' away.  So, what do you think 500+ pounds of explosive would feel like if it fell 10' short of your GV.... trust me, it would still rattle your head inside, even if the hatch was not open.

[Oleg]

Originally posted by ChristCAF
Do you even know what a shock wave would do to a building?

Tanks much smaller and much stronger than buildings.

Originally posted by ChristCAF
So, what do you think 500+ pounds of explosive would feel like if it fell 10' short of your GV.... trust me, it would still rattle your head inside, even if the hatch was not open.

Trust you? I dont see reasons to trust you. I prefer trust to analysis report about effectiveness of aviation against tanks.