Author Topic: Bf-109K vs Spitfire F. Mk XIV: lopsided match or equal? (Read 1921 times)

1K3 · « **on:** October 03, 2005, 11:52:31 PM »

My take... equal, BUT 109K has more boost time and spit 14 has a bit more hitting power.

note: i can still kill spit 14s with Gondolas:D

Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** October 04, 2005, 01:56:31 AM »

Spit XIV is perked, Bf109G-10 is not.

Take that for what it is worth.

In my personal experience the Spit XIV dominates the Bf109G-10.

SpinDoc1 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 04, 2005, 02:35:26 AM »

Spit can turn better, accelerates better (although close down low) and handles high speed better than the 109. I'd say in the hands of someone competent, the Spit Mk. XIV would dominate.

mechanic · « **Reply #3 on:** October 04, 2005, 03:08:21 AM »

no question that the 109 will win imo.

the spit 14 is junk, total junk.

maybe IRL the spit has the edge, but in my experience, xo-alt and co-E the 109 stand a far better chance of getting inside the spit and forcing overshoot and stalling snapshots.

i have yet to meet anyone in the AH skies who can really make a spit14 fly good.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 04, 2005, 02:02:37 PM »

I can...

1K3 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 04, 2005, 02:07:30 PM »

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Originally posted by SpinDoc1
Spit can turn better, accelerates better (although close down low) and handles high speed better than the 109. I'd say in the hands of someone competent, the Spit Mk. XIV would dominate.

Spit 14 is nowhere close to 109K, La-7, P-51, and 190D in acceleration.

overall spit 14 flies like 109K in full wep power and when WEP runs out it has the same speed as 109G-2/G-6.

mechanic · « **Reply #6 on:** October 04, 2005, 02:12:10 PM »

speed and acceleration have very little to do with it.

when it gets down and dirty the 109 should come out on top with equal pilots.

1K3 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 04, 2005, 02:20:14 PM »

teh leading edge slats for 109 is a mixed blessing.

PS i always carry Gondolas so that i don't have to play around with my food:D Gondolas is as effective as fork and spoon:)

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 04, 2005, 03:00:36 PM »

Ummm, the Spit 14 has great acceleration. It dominates those late fighters.

Has anyone here really flown this bird?

Karnak · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2005, 03:07:12 PM »

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Originally posted by mechanic
when it gets down and dirty the 109 should come out on top with equal pilots.

Explain why? The Spit XIV holds almost all the cards. Anything the Bf109G-10 can do, the Spit XIV can do as well or better.

It seems to me that you guys are just saying "My ride is better because I like it." without giving any reasons why it is better. What does the Bf109G-10 use to beat the Spit XIV "once it gets down and dirty?" I ask because my experiences are very different. Once it gets down and dirty the Bf109G-10 is in deep trouble as it has no moves that cannot be easily done by the Spitfire. Turning? Who cares about the slats, the Mk XIV will out turn the 109G-10 either way. Acceleration? Practically the same once mixed up. Climb? Can't get much closer than that. Roll rate, well, the Spit has this one hands down. Speed? Good luck living long enough to start pulling away of you go straight in your 109. Firepower? More than enough to kill the other in both cases, but the Spit's has better ballistics. Visibility? The Spitfire's is better.

What does the 109 do to so easily assure itself of victory?

cav58d · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2005, 03:07:33 PM »

Spit 14's suck...If it wasnt for the disgusting stall characterstics maybe more people would fly it

Kev367th · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2005, 03:43:08 PM »

Will be interesting, especially as on the remodel the Spit 14 is getting 21lbs boost.

1K3 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2005, 04:00:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
Will be interesting, especially as on the remodel the Spit 14 is getting 21lbs boost.

u sure about that? only a handfull of +21s had one for spit 14

EDIT: since u got more inside info on HTC, will 109K also get 1.98 ata boost?

Karnak · « **Reply #13 on:** October 04, 2005, 04:24:10 PM »

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Originally posted by 1K3
u sure about that? only a handfull of +21s had one for spit 14

This is not english. I think you are saying only a few XIV's ran at +21lbs. That doesn't really seem to be the case though. It would make the XIV a late XIV as opposed to a Summer, '44 XIV.

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EDIT: since u got more inside info on HTC, will 109K also get 1.98 ata boost?

The Bf109 is not trying to justify being perked. In this very thread you have everybody other than me saying the Spit XIV sucks and is an easy kill for the Bf109G-10, yet it is the Spit that is perked and the Bf109G-10 that is free.

Creton · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2005, 05:38:44 PM »

I've encountered a few good spit14 sticks,most recently was Lynxx,we fought at 25k and was a great fight ,I only use 20mm in the g10 without gondies,because they greatly affect maneuverability.I won the first fight ,caught him on a rope after 3rd or 4th turn ,he won the second with a good snap shot that hit my radiator and cause me to overheat after afew secs.and go dead stick.I will say as far as I'm concerned the 109g10 will win most fights at this alt. if both pilots are equal.I think that most make the mistake of taking gondulas for the extra firepower but dont realize the adverse affects on maneuvering they have.I actually have more trouble fighting yaks and f4u's than I have against spits.

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