Originally posted by Karnak
Explain why? The Spit XIV holds almost all the cards. Anything the Bf109G-10 can do, the Spit XIV can do as well or better.
It seems to me that you guys are just saying "My ride is better because I like it." without giving any reasons why it is better. What does the Bf109G-10 use to beat the Spit XIV "once it gets down and dirty?" I ask because my experiences are very different. Once it gets down and dirty the Bf109G-10 is in deep trouble as it has no moves that cannot be easily done by the Spitfire. Turning? Who cares about the slats, the Mk XIV will out turn the 109G-10 either way. Acceleration? Practically the same once mixed up. Climb? Can't get much closer than that. Roll rate, well, the Spit has this one hands down. Speed? Good luck living long enough to start pulling away of you go straight in your 109. Firepower? More than enough to kill the other in both cases, but the Spit's has better ballistics. Visibility? The Spitfire's is better.
What does the 109 do to so easily assure itself of victory?
First off the 109 has never been my ride, i fly it in the CT sometimes but i like its roll fighting and stall fighting characteristics alot.
The spit 14 is similar, just with more accuracy and fewer rounds.
the spit has one flap setting, which gives no variable speeds for flaps. either in or out. this is the main problem (imo) with the spit14 and its poor stability issues. almost a total lack of respect for combat flaps which were very well understood at the time of the spit14's production.
your statement; ' I ask because my experiences are very different. Once it gets down and dirty the Bf109G-10 is in deep trouble as it has no moves that cannot be easily done by the Spitfire. ' is clearly a reality for the MA, but you rarely come up against an equally skilled pilot in a 109 when you're flying a spit14, I imagine.
'Turning? Who cares about the slats, the Mk XIV will out turn the 109G-10 either way'
once again in a setup 1 on 1 fight in the DA things will go very differently than you imagine. you cannot base your aircraft values on MA usage alone.
you are correct that the spit is just.....better...., but with an experienced spit pilot vs an equally experienced 109 pilot the fights would certainly be 50 - 50 wins if not 60-70% in the 109's favour.
earlier models, say 109e vs spit1 would be similar
the only place, IMO only of course, where the aces high spitfires shine over the aces high 109s is in the mkV and IX.
100 fights between any 109 and the 9 or 5 would almost certainly end up 80% spits favour with equally experienced pilots.
the spit1 and 14 have weakness that the 109 doesnt, in firepower and engine-mk1- and flap tech and stability-mk14-
just my opinion remember.