Author Topic: Bush Nominates Alito (Read 1094 times)

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 01, 2005, 11:57:50 AM »

Thats exactly the point. Such issues should be decided by the people through the legislative process. That was provided for in the Constitution. Nowhere does it say that judges, even at the SC level, get the right to legislate. Its time the judges got back to judging according to the laws as written and stop trying to do the writing themselves.

lazs2 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 01, 2005, 02:47:38 PM »

oboe... I am not sure that the sc should have anything to do with "environmental protection" unless it is in the context of human rights...

civil rights? Is there any real dissention in the parrties about this? It is a constitutional matter tho and I want it to be interpreted as such. abortion? again... the constitution may not have anything to say about a fetus but it certainly is against killing innocent humans.... being still attached to mom shouldn't matter. You can't play whack a mole with a chrome ball peen as their little head peeks out.

The constitution covers everything I am interested in or want the supreme court to hear.

lazs

Seagoon · « **Reply #17 on:** November 01, 2005, 03:02:13 PM »

Hi All,

First the Miers nomination was withdrawn, and then the guy I most wanted on the court was nominated. I think this might be a sure sign that the Apocalypse is imminent. Ah well.

Alito has a reputation for being an originalist and a defender of original intent, for this reason he is of course compared to Scalia (who until Roberts was confirmed was the only originalist left on the court) and labeled "Scalito" by the left. Predictably, the jabs are going to be aimed at the fact that he is not going to continue the progressive interpretation of the constitution that produced rulings like Roe v. Wade (and our current property rights debacle). Unfortunately they are already also going after his Italian ancestry with thinly veiled suggestions that being a Goombah himself he was soft on the Mafia. That approach will probably backfire in a hurry, and unless I'm completely out to lunch, current popular disaffection with the ongoing progressive reshaping of constitutional law will probably cause that tack to backfire as well.

Given that he's a top notch Princeton and Yale Grad who has been on the bench for over 25 years, the "not qualified" thing isn't going to wash. The only hope will be that he has a rather large collection of previously undiscovered skeletons or that the Bush Administration's problems will become so huge that nothing they do or propose will be successful.

- SEAGOON

midnight Target · « **Reply #18 on:** November 01, 2005, 04:09:28 PM »

Actually I don't think the dems have a leg to stand on fighting this nomination.

He is imminently qualified. I disagree with his politics, but he is qualified.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 01, 2005, 04:12:10 PM »

MT
Do you think that will stop them from trying?

midnight Target · « **Reply #20 on:** November 01, 2005, 04:23:19 PM »

tikky · « **Reply #21 on:** November 01, 2005, 04:26:01 PM »

i heard Alito is Catholic

a bit plus for me:aok

Seagoon · « **Reply #22 on:** November 01, 2005, 04:36:31 PM »

GTO,

I'm not a prophet, nor the son of a prophet, but I think the probable course of action will be to define Alito as "out of the mainstream*" and then fillibuster. A friend of mine in D.C. says groups like NOW are already demanding it. Unfortunately, if the Dems stay in lockstep on that, such a fillibuster would be the end of the nomination. The political reasoning goes, "Ok we tick off the American people by fillibustering a qualified nominee - but on the other hand, with the upcoming "Scooter" and Delay circuses, the high price of oil, and the overwhelming unpopularity of the administration - we can weather it. Plus we make our own base VERY happy."

* Regarding the Mainstream: Just what is this mythical "mainstream" anyway? Obviously I'm not it, but then again neither is Chuckie Shumer, although we differ in that I'm aware of that fact and apparently he isn't. Just why is the "mainstream" so important anyway? Among things the "mainstream" didn't support we have:

Leaving England and settling America
The American Revolution
The Louisiana Purchase
The Abolition of Slavery
Airpower
Opposing Hitler's Rise to Power
Civil Rights

And so on... Who cares what the mainstream thinks anyway? Those aren't the guys who get written up in history books.

- SEAGOON

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 01, 2005, 04:56:34 PM »

Does anyone really thing Roe V wade ( I cant be assed to spell it right I so dont give two ****s about that stupid issue) will change?

How could a case even get to the Supreme court on this?

only thing I could see is a minor restriction or two like a partial birth ban etc.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 01, 2005, 05:08:22 PM »

Politicians on both sides have no clue what main stream is.

To busy listening to their handsomehunk advisors who have no clue what we want as a people or dont give a ****.

I think the main stream is the people in the middle who don't buy into the left or right BS and go for what would make life better easier for them.

I dont think either side has any idea how to to appeal to them.

The main stream does not give a **** about Envirnmental wackoism but is ok with reasonable laws to protect the our lands.

They don't want to ban abortion because its murder or people will burn in hell, they just dont like it but want it to be legal and to stop hearing people whine about it. Because they know it is none of their damn buisnes.

They dont give a **** about left pork versus right pork, all politicians suck and they know this, they just want it to be better.

They dont want guns banned but they dont want just anyone to be able to buy one at a 7/11 it is about reasonable controlls.

They dont give a **** why illegals are pouring accross the borders they just want the borders closed and a imagration policy put into place that works and allows for people who want to work here to come here legaly. A policy that would bring in workers but also make the nation safer as well.

They are horrified by 911 but do not want to give up the rights that make this nation special to fight terror.

They are the people who want the nation to be a better place, not for the left or right, but for everyone.

ETC

Neither the dems or the rep get this.

Trell · « **Reply #25 on:** November 01, 2005, 06:49:48 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Politicians on both sides have no clue what main stream is.

To busy listening to their handsomehunk advisors who have no clue what we want as a people or dont give a ****.

I think the main stream is the people in the middle who don't buy into the left or right BS and go for what would make life better easier for them.

I dont think either side has any idea how to to appeal to them.

The main stream does not give a **** about Envirnmental wackoism but is ok with reasonable laws to protect the our lands.

They don't want to ban abortion because its murder or people will burn in hell, they just dont like it but want it to be legal and to stop hearing people whine about it. Because they know it is none of their damn buisnes.

They dont give a **** about left pork versus right pork, all politicians suck and they know this, they just want it to be better.

They dont want guns banned but they dont want just anyone to be able to buy one at a 7/11 it is about reasonable controlls.

They dont give a **** why illegals are pouring accross the borders they just want the borders closed and a imagration policy put into place that works and allows for people who want to work here to come here legaly. A policy that would bring in workers but also make the nation safer as well.

They are horrified by 911 but do not want to give up the rights that make this nation special to fight terror.

They are the people who want the nation to be a better place, not for the left or right, but for everyone.

ETC

Neither the dems or the rep get this.

wow first good argument i have heard yet.

Wanna be on the court??

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #26 on:** November 01, 2005, 07:34:40 PM »

Surprised so many are supporting a Guy from Joisey.

Pongo · « **Reply #27 on:** November 01, 2005, 09:07:55 PM »

I really cant see what the issue is. Its one of the reasons that people vote for the president surely. So that positions will be filled by people that share the presidents views and therefore the views of the people that voted for him.
What would be strange is if he put forward someone that wasnt an established conservative.

StarOfAfrica2 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 01, 2005, 09:22:10 PM »

Like Miers?

Pongo · « **Reply #29 on:** November 02, 2005, 01:55:22 AM »

was she even a lawyer?