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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2005, 08:01:18 PM »
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WOW, I was so wrong about this thread.  I figured an American criticising NZ about immigration policies would erupt into a firestorm about our Mexican/Latino problem here in the states.  

For you non-yank types does the world not know about our immigration issues (IE not very puplicised)?


Not really. And most NZers feel that the above article is a good example of our immigration officials being complete and utter power hungry beaurucratic ********s.

Every now and then you come across some public servant on a power trip, this is probably a good example.

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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2005, 08:20:49 PM »
Wow, everyone's freaking out at each other.



Just so you know, some Hospitals have to treat everyone.


Other hospitals have the option to choose whether or not they treat everyone.
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« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2005, 10:44:26 PM »
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Not really. And most NZers feel that the above article is a good example of our immigration officials being complete and utter power hungry beaurucratic ********s.

Every now and then you come across some public servant on a power trip, this is probably a good example.


Exactly right.

And it seems we are not the only ones with jumped up little Hitlers masquerading as public servants.
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A former sailor from Wanganui who joined the Royal Air Force during World War II and also fought with the RNZAF has been told he has no right to live in Britain.

Noel Bevan settled in Wearside, Sunderland, after the war, married and raised three children but has now been told by British immigration to return to his native New Zealand, the Sunderland Echo newspaper reports.

Mr Bevan married his UK sweetheart, Marjorie Dumble, in 1944, and worked until his retirement 19 years ago. Now the 84-year-old has just six weeks to prove he’s entitled to stay in the UK or face expulsion.

He was returning to Newcastle Airport after visiting his daughter in Spain when immigration officers stopped him and said he had no right to be in the UK, even though it has been his home for more than 60 years.

Faced with leaving his home at Chester Mews, Mr Bevan said: "I’m devastated. I’ve lived in Sunderland all my adult life.

"I met my wife here, raised my family here and I fought for this country - and now they say I’m not entitled to be here," he told the Sunderland Echo.

Mr Bevan was working on a British steamship during World War II when he was captured and taken on board a German supply ship, the Altmark.

More than 300 British sailors, from ships sunk by the German battleship Graf Spee, were imprisoned on the Altmark when the destroyer HMS Cossack ran it down in a Norwegian fjord in February 1940. The men were freed in hand-to-hand fighting with bayonets.

In London, Mr Bevan joined the Royal Air Force and spent the next four years in the RAF and also in the Royal New Zealand Air Force, serving in Malta and Egypt.

Through a friend in the RAF he met his wife, and they had three daughters: Angela, 65, who lives in Spain; Sandra, 60, who settled in South Africa; and Judith, 59, who lives in Sunderland.

Mr Bevan said he had never held a British visa but was allowed to stay in the UK because New Zealand was part of the Commonwealth.

His daughter Judith, a community worker, said: "It’s absolutely ridiculous. He’s lived here for all these years and has fought in the war. How could he go back to New Zealand? Most of his friends there have passed away now.

"He hasn’t got anywhere to live. Here he’s got his own house, and he’s too old to uproot and leave."

A Home Office spokesman said he could not comment on an individual case, but the local member of the European Parliament, Martin Callanan, said: "It would seem an extremely bizarre decision by the immigration services. With all sorts of illegal immigrants roaming the streets, I would have thought the immigration services could make more deserving cases for deportation than Mr Bevan."

Lily Taylor, 83, chairman of the RAF Bomber Command Association of the North East and its Sunderland branch, said the expulsion threat was disgraceful.

"It makes you wonder if this country is worth fighting for if they are going to do things like this."

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« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2005, 11:37:15 PM »
Damn Excel, that's just sickening. I'm sure stuff like that happens all over the world, my country included.

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« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2005, 11:56:01 PM »
Excel, I just lost my appetite.  That is sad that they would do that.  

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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2005, 12:17:39 AM »
This godamned world is fast reaching a level of intolerable stupidity.
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« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2005, 07:06:19 AM »
Now, you kids need to sit down and listen to what Hangtime is saying. After you read this, step away from the computer, go take a walk outside and think about what Hangtime just said. And also what Uncle Rolex is about to tell you.

All the nonsense and injustice and stupidity in the world is like a heavy metal. It collects up inside your body and your mind over the years. It's a cumulative process. It just keeps adding up and adding up until one day, you finally figure out how the world works.

If you're less than about 45 years old, you don't know squat. You may think that you're clever and smart and have everything all figured out.

You do not know squat.

One day (if you are lucky - and not many of you smart and clever kids will be so lucky), when you are in your late 40s or early 50s, you'll awaken and suddenly, you will pass into a phase of life we call 'wisdom'

All of the heavy metals that have accumulated in your brain over the years will take its toll, and you'll decide that you've put up with all the nonsense and injustice and stupidity that you can for one lifetime.

You figure out the secret of life, the truth about the world and the truth about people. And the truth is...

The world is just one, big joke.

Once you understand the futility of fighting the joke, and accept the world and people for what they are, you can sit back with a wry, old smile and watch the less than 50-something know-it-alls stumble around arguing and getting upset and absorbing heavy metals, all the while thinking that they know something.

You don't know squat. And there ain't nothin' you can do to change that - or the world - until your time of understanding arrives.

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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2005, 07:43:37 AM »
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Man, I thought socialism was touted as equality and compassion.. I geuss it is... as long as there's nothing wrong with you.


There is a lot of "funny" things about travelling with illness.
For example if you are HiV possitive, you will be deny to enter some countries even "western" countries.

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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2005, 09:14:40 AM »
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Now, you kids need to sit down and listen to what Hangtime is saying. After you read this, step away from the computer, go take a walk outside and think about what Hangtime just said. And also what Uncle Rolex is about to tell you.

All the nonsense and injustice and stupidity in the world is like a heavy metal. It collects up inside your body and your mind over the years. It's a cumulative process. It just keeps adding up and adding up until one day, you finally figure out how the world works.

If you're less than about 45 years old, you don't know squat. You may think that you're clever and smart and have everything all figured out.

You do not know squat.

One day (if you are lucky - and not many of you smart and clever kids will be so lucky), when you are in your late 40s or early 50s, you'll awaken and suddenly, you will pass into a phase of life we call 'wisdom'

All of the heavy metals that have accumulated in your brain over the years will take its toll, and you'll decide that you've put up with all the nonsense and injustice and stupidity that you can for one lifetime.

You figure out the secret of life, the truth about the world and the truth about people. And the truth is...

The world is just one, big joke.

Once you understand the futility of fighting the joke, and accept the world and people for what they are, you can sit back with a wry, old smile and watch the less than 50-something know-it-alls stumble around arguing and getting upset and absorbing heavy metals, all the while thinking that they know something.

You don't know squat. And there ain't nothin' you can do to change that - or the world - until your time of understanding arrives.


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You are correct. Critical BS Mass is obtainable. Only I ain't laughing as much as I used too and I tend to squint and tense when presented with the moronothon that passes for day-to-day interaction with some elements of society.

Perhaps my time of understanding will come soon.. perhaps it's already past. Perhaps I'll finally snap... I often get the foreboding feeling that the coin is still in the air, that the toss ain't been called yet.

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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2005, 10:14:58 AM »
Happy damn birthday. ;)

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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2005, 04:50:02 PM »
Indy007 - interesting post. The US adopted exactly the same sort of policy when screening immigrants entering the US in earlier centuries. Within a mile of the statue of liberty on Liberty Island (pic posted by SandMan^) there is another island called Ellis Island. That is where immigrants from Europe were "processed". Nowadays it's just a museum - a very fascinating museum, and worth a visit if you're in the New York area. I've been 2 or 3 times. Immigrants were checked for diseases, and many were sent back to their country of origin if found to be unfit because of communicable diseases or mental illness. The shipping company was made to pay the fare! For this reason, shipping companies made their own checks on people before setting sail for the US. IIRC, about 5,000 immigrants were processed each day at Ellis Island. The "processing officers" used to make a white chalk cross on the outer garment of the immigrant to show that they were OK.

Jackal! What were you doing breathing Hydrogen Phosphide? I didn't think driving a truck was that hazardous. ;) Sorry you're not well. I will be nice to you from now on! :)
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« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2005, 08:29:04 AM »
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Jackal! What were you doing breathing Hydrogen Phosphide? I didn't think driving a truck was that hazardous. ;)


Cute.  I wasn`t driving a truck Beet. :)
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« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2005, 09:35:56 AM »
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Not really. And most NZers feel that the above article is a good example of our immigration officials being complete and utter power hungry beaurucratic ********s.

Every now and then you come across some public servant on a power trip, this is probably a good example.


While that specific situation is wrong, I think the policy is fine.  So the Kiwi's dont want a bunch of sick immigrants moving to their country and suckinig on their healthcare system.  It's their taxes.  It's their country, let them run it as THEY see fit.

Personally, why would anyone want to see immigrants come to their country in a condition that would be a burden.......?

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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2005, 01:36:14 PM »
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While that specific situation is wrong, I think the policy is fine.  So the Kiwi's dont want a bunch of sick immigrants moving to their country and suckinig on their healthcare system.  It's their taxes.  It's their country, let them run it as THEY see fit.

Personally, why would anyone want to see immigrants come to their country in a condition that would be a burden.......?


Humanitarian reasons, the little dead girl was a good recent example. You know I am THEY don't you?

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« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2005, 03:28:16 PM »
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You know I am THEY don't you?


What does that have to do with anything?  Only your point is valid because your a Kiwi.  That's a load of crap.

Countries SHOULD be selective about who they allow into their systems and if your sick and will be a drain on their system.... then there should be a second look at the situation before just letting you in.