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Offline leonid

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RAM, what's up with the North African refugees?
« on: August 16, 2000, 10:45:00 PM »
I saw on the web that North Africans are coming across the straits of Gibraltor to Spain in rafts, etc.  What's going on?
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RAM, what's up with the North African refugees?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2000, 11:31:00 PM »
Oh well...such a disaster...

Lets make it in a short way, because the problem is a deep one....

First of all and as you may know, in Morocco, there is a Kingdom where the king is the "boss" of the government. That makes a lot of people upset with it and want to go to Europe, to live in a democracy.

In Argelia there is a "supposed" democracy ,but they are damned with a fundamentalist terrorist group that uses to kill people for the minimum stupidity regarding religion (and as religion in Islam rules nearly all aspects on the life...well you get the point)

So making more people wanting to move to Europe.

There is also the general belief that in Europe Work conditions are way better and better payed than in North Africa...so making people want to go to Europe.

Of course in Europe inmigration laws are quite restrictive, so the "legal" way of inmigration is, to say it this way, closed for the most of the time.

In fact if you arent a worthy man, you can forget about the "legal" inmigration.

So people started some years ago to cross the strait of Gibraltar in overloaded little barges,rafts,boats...whatever...some with engine propulsion, some with a kind of raw sail propulsion...even sometimes with no motion at all...Most times they sail with little freeboard because the number of people on the raft.

Gibraltar strait waters are not the calmest in the world, exactly, so making a lot of people to die drowned in the way to Europe with this little overloaded raft capsizing very easily...

Last year,and with the announcement of a more restricted inmigration law in Spain, the number of illegal inmigrants has multiplied by 5. There are even mafias who sell passage in a barge for a prohibitive cost...only to let them on a beach with no owns, no luggage and no life in an unknown country.

The net result is that this year the loss of life is nearly 7 times what it used to be. And there are a lot more to come, and to die...  

not to mention those poor souls who manage to cross the treacherous waters of Gibraltar only to be arrested by the Police and returned to their country...

They used to be people from Morocco,or Argelia, but now with the problems in Western Africa (wars ,civil problems in Nigeria,etc), there is a lot of inmigrants from the core of Africa...

ITs a total disaster   ...the few people who manage to cross the Straits and not be returned to Africa only find that the work conditions aren't that great,and the pay really indecent... because as illegal inmigrants they have to accept toejam works  

Its a TERRIBLE problem, that for sure.
And one with no clear solution in the short or medium term  

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Offline leonid

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RAM, what's up with the North African refugees?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2000, 01:51:00 AM »
Thanks for the info, RAM.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2000, 12:34:00 AM »
It's kind of strange to hear about the same type of problem that the U.S. is facing with illegal immegration from the southern nations. It isn't just Mexico, they are coming from as far away as south America. Even some of the Europeans are going to Mexico first then coming North to the States.

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RAM, what's up with the North African refugees?
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2000, 06:38:00 PM »
The best thing is how all of em are running through the ranchers properties in Arizona causing a lot of damage and nobody is doing jack about it. Especially funny is the part where Mexican officals come over to US with some 'human rights' activists making sure nothing is harming those illegals trespassing through private property. Could it have something to do with Doris Meisner who's the head of INS and also a jewess?

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2000, 10:58:00 PM »
Illegal immigration is a big headache for all the southern states of the US. IMO it's gotten worse, now that they know that people will be harbored under certain "conditions" where human right activests can dig there claws into things. Remember the Cuban kid?

That was SUCH BS...I mean gawd talk about a double standard  

I've been sitting outside at night on my Uncle's place in a few miles south of McAllen, Texas ...(illegal aliens come through all the time) he has a hobby of taking shots at them with a muzzle-loader shot gun filled with rock-salt. Not to say they don't deserve it  
they try and steal cars, trucks, tractors, or almost anything they can get their hands on out at his construction yard.

It's sad  

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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2000, 01:13:00 AM »
Same problem here with refugees from Albania. When they are intercepted by our Coast Guard they often throw children in the water. They are sure the Coast Guard will stop and save them ...
The problem is terrible ... moreover a lot of Albanian people (and local italian mafia) is making money with this human trade.
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RAM, what's up with the North African refugees?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2000, 11:28:00 AM »
Altough illegal immigration sometimes is related to a desire for "liberty", it is almost always for economic reasons. It is easy to pre-judge the disadvantaged from our relative perches of affluence. Many of us  would probably take the same route/risks if we were in their situations.

Too bad a little discussion on this can't be had without the racist pig kai getting his two cents in.

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