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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2005, 11:04:50 AM »
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How could China ever sustain a conventional war against the USA when they are utterly dependant on oil from the Persian Gulf, an area almost completely within the USA's sphere of influence? One wrong move and the US could close the spigot and China's industrial and military machine would grind to a halt.


Siberia.
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« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2005, 01:08:20 PM »
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Siberia.


They are building pipelines now for oil and gas to China.

Anyway, Chinese army is technologically and (!!!) numerically not far from Iraqi army. But they have nukes, and it makes them invulnerable to "democratisation" in American way.
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« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2005, 01:30:52 PM »
My dad could wip 10 chinese dads with one had behind his back.
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« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2005, 01:34:31 PM »
I dont know why some people think that China has some great military capability. They dont.
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« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2005, 01:58:28 PM »
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I dont know why some people think that China has some great military capability. They dont.


I think I should remember some Soviet jokes about Chinese.

China launched a first artificial sattelite. 2 million Chinese got hernia pulling a rubber band.

China built a world's biggest DC power station: 2 million Chinese in silk pants crawl on ebonite floor.

Soviet border-guard patrol sees a HUGE crowd of Chinese across the border. Chinese say: We have 2 million people here against you four soldiers! Soviet sergeant answeres: "Scary... Scary!!!" - "Are you going to surrender?" - "No, I am scared because we don't have space to bury you all!..."

TASS report in Pravda: "Today, at the Soviet-Chinese border, a peacefull Sovier tractor was attacked by three Chinese infantry divisions. Destroying the enemy force peacefull Soviet tractor got out of ammunition and launched into a near-earth orbit. Soviet government warns that if provocations will continue - we'll use a peacefull missile-carrying VTOL sheaf-binder."

A new one: Warning! Markets are full of fake Chinese Christmas-tree decorations! They look absolutlely like real, but they are no joy :(
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« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2005, 02:12:11 PM »
You know what else amazes me about China? They virtually never explored the world or sailed the oceans. They existed for thousands of years and pretty much just stayed put in their part of the world.

Maybe thinking that they were the center of the universe had something to do with that.
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« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2005, 02:17:02 PM »
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Maybe thinking that they were the center of the universe had something to do with that.


Mediterranean sea...  Medi  terrain...  Middle of the earth....

Seems the Romans thought the same thing.
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« Reply #67 on: November 24, 2005, 02:26:46 PM »
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You know what else amazes me about China? They virtually never explored the world or sailed the oceans. They existed for thousands of years and pretty much just stayed put in their part of the world.


Imagine how peaceful place earth would be if all countries would behave like that.
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« Reply #68 on: November 24, 2005, 02:29:32 PM »
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Imagine how peaceful place earth would be if all countries would behave like that.


Staying put in their part of the world and being peacful are two different things.
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« Reply #69 on: November 24, 2005, 02:43:57 PM »
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Siberia.


Not if you are talking about the current timeframe. Maybe in 5 or 10 years, which is how long it will take to get the pipelines in place, assuming they get built at all.  There is also the small matter of Japan, who are still competing with China for preferential access to Siberian oil. Approx. 35-40% of China's current oil imports come from the Persian Gulf and this proportion is rising annually. Russia cannot currently replace that capacity, since present supply is by rail only. Even assuming that a more dependable Siberian supply comes on-stream in the future, it will barely keep pace with Chinese domestic demand even if Persian Gulf imports remain at current levels.

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"There's an illusion that ownership ensures either volume or price," said William H. Overholt, director of the Rand Center for Asia-Pacific Policy in Santa Monica, Calif. "Oil is an internationally traded commodity. The key is having secure lines of supply from the Middle East."


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Many energy experts say owning oil fields provides no real energy security. It does not cushion against a rising cost of energy because no one country is large enough to determine the market price. Neither does it ensure access, because getting oil where it is needed depends largely upon shipping lanes policed by the U.S. Navy.


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« Reply #70 on: November 24, 2005, 03:00:09 PM »
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I dont know why some people think that China has some great military capability. They dont.


I blame it on Battlefield 2.
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« Reply #71 on: November 24, 2005, 03:06:51 PM »
hey...hey...hey ...stop.... stop, wait a moment, did you amrican warmongers forget about the old Euro??? We are still here, (you insipid chinese wait for your turn ;) )..... since yesterday you  warmongers were  foretelling a war with us, now you are ready to give in for some billions yellow guys???
Thats not the way....:aok
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« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2005, 05:14:06 PM »
Stegor, that's so last century.  We already beat Mussolini and the rest of you spaghetti eaters when John Bull, Uncle Sam, and Uncle Joe took care of them nazis.
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« Reply #73 on: November 24, 2005, 05:36:35 PM »
Bomb the Three Dams on the Yangtze River and it would break the back of China.  

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« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2005, 05:49:32 PM »
The Chinese couldn't touch the US, unless they launched some nukes, which they don't have many of, and of which few of those could reach the US mainland, contrary to popular opinion.

The US military is so much more capable than that of China's, it isn't even a logical comparison to remotely equate the two.

In a nuclear exchange, China would lose big time.

No nation on earth can defeat the US in an all out conventional war, and only Russia could trade blows with  the US in a nuclear exchange.
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