Hi Ack,
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
LMAO!!! Don't think I've ever been called or referred to as a Pagan before. I wonder if you realize that all of your Christian holidays and festivals were taken directly from Pagan holidays and irituals.
As Flit pointed out, I was referring to me. I was a Pagan till 1993 - a practicing occultist and a member of the Golden Dawn if you are familiar with that particular group.
And yes Ack, I am aware that Christian Feast Days are not biblical but were put in the place of Pagan feast days, so that Christmas occurs at the time the Saturnalia used to. Not that it matters to this thread, but the only holy day I observe in corporate worship is the Lord's Day. I wrote a magazine article on the subject a while back, if you are interested an online version is
available here Hmmm...let's see. My freedom of not having to worry about sending my children to a public school and be forced fed religion. The freedom for women to be able to choose. The freedom of waking up and not finding myself living in what was a democratic country that became a Christian Theocracy, which is what our Founding Fathers never intended this country to become. The freedom of not having some bible thumper telling me how to live my life. The freedom for a child to pick up a book in the school library without some bible thumper throwing a tantrum because it "promotes Witchcraft".
Lets see, so the mandatory alternative is that everyone who can't afford to send their child to a private school or who doesn't have the resources to enable them to homeschool must accept having their children "force fed" atheism and materialism? And hasn't the total removal of Christianity from the schools made them so much more pleasant? As an article in a Honolulu newspaper pointed out:
"The challenges that today's teen-agers face are starkly evident in a recent U.S. News and World Report story comparing the top discipline problems reported by public school teachers in 1940 with those in 1990.
Teachers in 1940 disciplined students for talking out of turn, chewing gum, making noise, running in the halls, cutting in line, dress-code violations and littering.
A mere 21/2 generations later, teachers listed the following problems: drug abuse, alcohol abuse, pregnancy, suicide, rape, robbery and assault. Teens and their families, like teachers, are now confronted by a set of issues dramatically different from those of the past. Contemporary American teens live in a toxic society with epidemic levels of alcohol and drug abuse, suicide, violence, pregnancy, child abuse and destabilized families."As for abortion, that particular "old American freedom" wasn't discovered until 1973, and bible thumpers haven't exactly been wildly successful in returning the right to choose whether abortion should be legal to the states.
In any event, Ack, you didn't give me the mechanism by which the dreaded American Christians might be able to effect all these changes. I suspect that is because on reflection, the only way they can promote the changes you suggest is through the same Democratic processes you have access to. Its not exactly like they are using the same methodology as the Muslim Brotherhood in achieving their aims.
So are you suggesting then that Bible Believing Christians should not be allowed to vote or run for office?
For that matter, can you explain for a moment why the atheistic worldview is so much better for the nation? Give me some of the positive fruits, some hard data that shows why we are better off now because of secular humanism than when the US was more overtly Christian.
The only difference between a Bible Thumper and a Jihadist is that a Bible Thumper wears a tie.
Really, so American evangelicals have a world-wide network of terrorist organizations dedicated to killing or violently expelling non-Christians from the "Dar-El-Christendom" and then forcibly taking over other non-Christian nations and giving the non-Christian citizens the option of conversion, reduction to third class citizenship, or death?
Do Christian clerics routinely issue Christian Fatwas calling on the faithful to kill a particular "blasphemer" Do they prevent the construction of new Mosques and close down or destroy existing ones? Did they rejoice when the Tsunami devastated the worlds most populous Muslim nation? Didn't they send in countless relief and clean-up teams and donate millions of dollar etc. etc. etc. Funny how the petro-chemical funded Jihadis were just as eager to assist us after Katrina, eh?
The only difference is the tie indeed, to quote the original Yiddish:
"Oy Vey."
