Army vs Navy loaded

[1Duke1]

Navy vs. Army  2005.....WWII Aces High Style!!!


December 3rd marks the 106th meeting between the Midshipman of Navy
and the tulips of West Point.

This setup is going to pit the fighter aircraft of the US Army Air Corps against
the aircraft of the US Navy.

Slot Terrain, Knights are the dreaded Woops, and the Bish are the dashing gents in
Navy Blue.

Pick a side, and let the battle begin!!!


Knights:

A11-  Early models only; P40B,E/P51B/P47D-11

The rest of the fields;  all USAAC aircraft


Bish:

A10- Early models only;  F4f-4, F4u-1, Fm2

C25- Early models only
C8 - Late models only;  F4u-1C, F4u-1D, F4u-4, F6f-5

The rest of land fields, all USN aircraft.


Few points I forgot to add:

There is no base capture, and the CV's are locked so as not to be used as roving ack wagons

[SkyChimp]

Originally posted by 1Duke1
Navy vs. Army  2005.....WWII Aces High Style!!!


December 3rd marks the 106th meeting between the Midshipman of Navy
and the tulips of West Point.

This setup is going to pit the fighter aircraft of the US Army Air Corps against
the aircraft of the US Navy.

Slot Terrain, Knights are the dreaded Woops, and the Bish are the dashing gents in
Navy Blue.

Pick a side, and let the battle begin!!!


Knights:

A11-  Early models only; P40B,E/P51B/P47D-11

The rest of the fields;  all USAAC aircraft


Bish:

A10- Early models only;  F4f-4, F4u-1, Fm2

C25- Early models only
C8 - Late models only;  F4u-1C, F4u-1D, F4u-4, F6f-5

The rest of land fields, all USN aircraft.

Would fly if there was something to kill in it =)

[1Duke1]

Just got it loaded.....had to go the manual route

[Jaekart]

Not complainin bout the choices, just curious.

You have the P-40E and the P-51B included in the "Early War Set", yet have the P-38G as a later model.

Just seems to me that the 40E and the 51B belong with the later models at the other fields.  I'm likely Wrong, but I think the 40E and 51B might  outclass the early navy birds in the A10--A11 "Early War Duels", altho they might be a good match vs the F4U-1.  

With that thought expressed, I'm wondering if all I will see from the "Early Bird" fields are gonna be the 40E/51B VS F4U-1.  I'm Confident that a few of the "Older" and more "Experienced"  CT regulars will fly the 40B/47D-11 against the F4F and FM2, and expect to get into some good fights, yet I feel that visitors to the CT are gonna go with the "Better" planes.

I intend to fly the "Early" Army Birds, if I can find any "Early" Navy Pilots to Joust with.

YAY ARMY, WHUP THEM SQUIDS

[Krusty]

Here's the problem: There's only 1 really early "army" plane, the P40B.

The f4u1 is a late war bird. All f4us didn't show up until the latter half of the war. Hell F6F is a '44 bird isn't it?

Only things that showed up '43 or sooner should be listed as "early" and that means the pickin's is slim.


Do we really need all f4us? Can't we just have the 1a 1d and be done with it? Or if you want a high end equal to the USAF planes put in the -4 as well.

Same for P47s. Do ya need 'em all? Just put in a few.  etc etc

[Grits]

Originally posted by Krusty
Here's the problem: There's only 1 really early "army" plane, the P40B.

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P-40E was in operational service before Dec '41, they were at both Pearl and Clark AFB. It is most definately an early war plane.

The f4u1 is a late war bird. All f4us didn't show up until the latter half of the war. Hell F6F is a '44 bird isn't it?[/b]

First deliveries were Jul '42 and F4U-1's were in full operational service with VMF-124 out of Gaudalcanal in Feb '43.

[Krusty]

I don't believe it saw much service before late '43, it had teething troubles and carrier problems, from memory. Then it was banned from cv use until those problems were fixed.

EDIT: A book of mine says this on the f4u:

First delivery June '42, but not enough delivered to even equip a single squadron until Sept '42. Not used by navy due to the teething problems until Guadalcanal in Feb '43. The changes in the f4us were implemented on the production line after plane #600, those being "F4u1As" which is what AH has I believe.

So it would be a '43 plane in AH.

[DblTrubl]

P-38G was rolling off assembly lines in November 1941 and was in squadron service by June 1942. That would make it an early war USAAC plane also, yes?

[Krusty]

Was it in state-side sqn's at that time? When was it actually introduced into combat?

[Shifty]

Well seeing how this is a mythical setup anyway...................... Whats the point of spliting hairs over where and when planes became available?

If we're going to have this setup just open all the planes for both sides and lets have at it.

[Krusty]

Consider, however, the early war planes... You've got the P40B, the P40E, and the F4F...... What do you think the P38G will do to all of those? That's riiiight.. it will blow them all to hell. Have to keep it balanced. Besides if you want to go by earliest dates, the Fw190 is a 1939 plane

[Larry]

Then I want my 1936 109!!

[Jaekart]

I really hate to see a simple question evolve into a hair-splittin contest..

I was simply curious regarding selection of "Early vs Late War" birds, at the 2  bases indicated as being only "Early" war birds, A10 and A11.

With the selection of all the rest of the birds available at the other fields, (none of which are very far apart), I see a lot of really fun fights happenin, with a good selection of T&B or B&Z fighters available to everybody.

And I definately have plans on jousting with some squids this week, whether it be with "Early" or "Late" War time frame Birds.

I know Jester , Lowe (Shifty now) an a few other "Proclaimed Squids" gonna give this old squaddy from the past a nasty time, but if/when I go down, it's gonna be still swingin     Cussin pullin my hair out an waitin fer my bird to die  so's I can do it all over again.

YeeHaa Mules, Let's stomp some Squids

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Krusty
Consider, however, the early war planes... You've got the P40B, the P40E, and the F4F...... What do you think the P38G will do to all of those? That's riiiight.. it will blow them all to hell. Have to keep it balanced. Besides if you want to go by earliest dates, the Fw190 is a 1939 plane

Balanced is in the eye of the beholder.
 
Thats always been a problem in CT. Everybody complains about balance. Some times Axis had better planes, sometimes Allied had better planes. It used to be there wasn't a big debate over every aircraft in each setup. The war wasn't balanced constantly. Both sides Axis, and Allied had times where they held distinct advantages. Personally I'd like to see setups based more on a certain part of the war more, and trying to please everybody in one week second. I agree with you about the FW-190 there have never been any good CT setups where the FW-190 had dominance over the channel like it did historically. It always boils down to a debate over model, and date.

Besides the Army always had better planes than the Navy. Still do today.

Jaekhart saidI know Jester , Lowe (Shifty now) an a few other "Proclaimed Squids" gonna give this old squaddy from the past a nasty time, but if/when I go down, it's gonna be still swingin  Cussin  pullin my hair out  an waitin fer my bird to die  so's I can do it all over again.

YeeHaa Mules, Let's stomp some Squids

I with ya there Jake!!:aok

[Jaekart]

Dang Lowe, was ya lurkin an waitin fer a reply ??????

And does " I'm with ya Jake" mean yer gonna help Me stomp on Squids ??