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Offline Silat

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« Reply #75 on: December 07, 2005, 04:57:52 PM »
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I think it is important to note that...

Allmost every one of the liberals on this board that are crying big crocadile tears for the "troops" and wanting to bring them home.... would consider the troops themselves (if they met them) to be moronic rednecks fit only to be the butt of their jokes by some sissy liberal comedian...  

The "troops" would not be the kind of people that the bleeding hearts here would hang out with in any case....

simply more liberal "we love humanity but hate people" bs.

lazs



What an insult Laz..........................

I served.
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« Reply #76 on: December 07, 2005, 05:01:29 PM »
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really?  speaking in generalities it seems to me that lazs has hit the nail on the head.  aside from your kin, how do you feel about the others currently in service?


Well,

The insinuation is highly offensive.  One could easliy interpret your postulate as being arrogance (i.e., "I love our troops more than you do, I am more patriotic . . ." etc.).  So please correct me if I am worng there.  

I don't think of such attitudes as being relevant to anything worthy of our men and women in uniform.  

I wouldn't cast aspersions on them by pretending to be anything besides what I am, and I think that when people pretend to know more about the military or care for it more than anyone else they really simply cheapen the service our folks provide.  Barbara Bush, the President's mother, famously lectured her husband on untoward flag waving and has described teh cheap and unseemly character it hints at.  You might call her and ask her if she supports our men in arms?

So I'd rather not engage in anything that cheapens our men and women more than I feel you already have by insinuating that you or lazs should be allowed to define what this nation is.  I think men and women fighting for our freedom deserve better than what you two are offering.

Thanks for the question,

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« Reply #77 on: December 07, 2005, 05:04:00 PM »
Don't take offense Dago, but you know, the entire whitehouse has been embroiled in that Mission Accomplished scandal which some political hack there set up.

If the President does not endorse that commentary it would never have been flown behind him.

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« Reply #78 on: December 07, 2005, 05:10:16 PM »
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Originally posted by storch
really?  speaking in generalities it seems to me that lazs has hit the nail on the head.  aside from your kin, how do you feel about the others currently in service?


You want me to believe that you cant see the diff between being against the lies, misrepresentation and outright mismanagement of this war and supporting our military?

If you cant see the difference and attacking on this level is all you have then this country is worse off than I thought.
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« Reply #79 on: December 07, 2005, 05:39:00 PM »
MT,

I don't fault you for wanting freedom of speech, I want it too.  In fact I have the freedom to criticise that speech wich I disagree with and I think is dangerous.

No one in this thread has yet to explain away dean's comments.  I agree Kerry's comments can be construded differently than I presented them but I hardly think that's taking them or anyone else comments out of context.  You mix all of this with Nazi remarks by Durbin and Pelosi's latest rehtoric and you get a pattern that even other democrats disagree with.


Here's an excelent article from MSNBC that is saying alot of what I agree with.

Opposition party wrestles with consequences of withdrawing U.S. troops

how far are the democrats willing to go to bring down a president and regain power?

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« Reply #80 on: December 07, 2005, 05:43:36 PM »
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You want me to believe that you cant see the diff between being against the lies, misrepresentation and outright mismanagement of this war and supporting our military?

If you cant see the difference and attacking on this level is all you have then this country is worse off than I thought.


Silat it's not just about hating the lies and supporting the troops, it's about wanting a win or a victory.  It's about ignoring or denying real progress.  

We are fighting in a country of 20 million people that want freedom and fight along side us against a group of 10,000 embedded within the population that want nothing more than to A. regain power or B. create an islamic state of oppression.  

We've beat the "insurgancy" in every battle militarily but are losing pitifully on the homefront and in the media.

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« Reply #81 on: December 07, 2005, 06:43:47 PM »
I disagree but understand you opinion.:)
But  some in this thread have made blanket statements that are personal attacks...................... .................They wouldnt like it if I said they were unpatriotic and didnt love the troops because they support a mismanaged war. It can go both ways.
It is uncalled for.
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« Reply #82 on: December 07, 2005, 06:45:42 PM »
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I disagree but understand you opinion.:)
But  some in this thread have made blanket statements that are personal attacks...................... .................They wouldnt like it if I said they were unpatriotic and didnt love the troops because they support a mismanaged war. It can go both ways.
It is uncalled for.


True, and I'm  not calling anyone patriotic, but do question their motives.

Do you disagree that having a prominent political figure in our country say (paraphrase: we can't win the war in Iraq) is at minimum careless?

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« Reply #83 on: December 07, 2005, 07:12:00 PM »
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Don't take offense Dago, but you know, the entire whitehouse has been embroiled in that Mission Accomplished scandal which some political hack there set up.

If the President does not endorse that commentary it would never have been flown behind him.

Sakai


What, you think he was going to show up on the carrier and in front of the camera start demanding they take that sign down?  Really?

That carrier had accomplished it's mission and was returning home to loved ones waiting at the docks.  They were proud and felt (rightly so) that they had accomplished their mission.  Nobody construes accomplishing a mission with winning a war, or ending a fight against terrorism.

I hardly think you or I am in a position to think we know what the President "really" meant, or whether he wanted that sign up there, but I do honestly believe he would not have dared ordered it taken down when he arrived on the ship whether he agreed with it or not.

Instead, lets just go with what he said, and what was recorded "major combat operations are over" and "the mission continues".

You were wrong in your original statement, you put words in his mouth that didnt exist, and now you are trying to dance around it, kind of like Dan Rather dancing around his fraudulent memos trying to pretend that the national guard story was true even though he had zero proof.  Its not what you think, its what you can prove.

And, while no offense meant, I proved you wrong here.

It's happened to me enough.   :)

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« Reply #84 on: December 07, 2005, 07:15:24 PM »
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What an insult Laz..........................

I served.


So did John Kerry.  He doesnt care about our troops though, he is happy to bad mouth them and embarrass them in front of the world for his intended political gain.  He would hang them out to dry or let them be slaughtered if he thought it would win him an election.

So, while I respect your service, sadly it doesnt buy you the consideration it should any longer due to traitors like Kerry.

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« Reply #85 on: December 07, 2005, 07:22:44 PM »
Dago,
I mean your right....so seaman rating decided all on their own to put up that mission accomplished sign.  I mean the symbolism the White House wanted to create is unmistakable, unless you don't want to admit it.
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'm not wrong, and where I have said I am not proud of the friends that I know that are serving?  

I'm not sure why you even brought that up in a response to my posts.  Nice try though Dago.  But hey, I'm not a real American right?  That's what the dimmer bulbs seem to say here.

I guess I'll take smartass over handsomehunk anyday.

Gunslinger,
Neither has anyone in this thread explained away the lack of WMD's, the fact that the ONLY person that has proved capable of striking us on our soil has yet to be caught.

The person on trial never demonstrated that they could do that.  I know that he probably wanted to in his more nutjob moments, but he never did it, and the one who has is not on trial or even in custody.

And if we are losing so pitifully on the homefront don't you think that maybe there's a good reason for that, like the war we are in is not the war we were sold.  Or how about Bush not doing a good job of convincing us that just because the eminent threat of Sadam's WMD's were apparently not there, but the reason is still just for causing the deaths of American citizens.

I am no dove, but I do want Bush to be accountable for his misrepresentation.  His degree of accountability is higher than the average citizen because his decisions have higher consequences associated with them.

Listen, if this cause of Iraq was so just, then why the shell game with the justification for getting us there.  Why didn't he just say, Regime Change is the reason and we are here to spread freedom to the Iraqi's from the get go?  Why not make that the case to the American people.

Answer that one.  Why the WMD fib then?

And the Dems don't get a free pass on this.  They went with it and authorized it as well.  They don't get the luxury of playing both sides.

I am all for projecting our power around the globe, even to the point of engaging in war.  So do not misread me here.  I do not think Iraq action was the best use to leverage our power.  It is not Lib or Con or any of that, period.  

It is much more pragmatic than all that cheerleader stuff they sell us.  It is about lives, dollars and global leadership.  It is about showing don't screw with us, but that we can also be trusted with our leadership role to use this power to its utmost advantage for the US.  And loosing credibility on the reasons for going into this does not do that.

We are there, and we need to clean it up.  But being critical of the Admin is not aiding and abetting the enemy.  That is so hyperbolic to be laughable.

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« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2005, 07:22:50 PM »
gunslinger, you need to stop being such an arse. your constant ranting about "the enemy within" is getting tired. nobody but a bunch of crazies would believe that the US military is intentionally terrorizing these people. im not saying that we dont sometimes accidentally freak out an iraqi civilian or two, that is just part of occupation duty.

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« Reply #87 on: December 07, 2005, 07:42:48 PM »
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gunslinger, you need to stop being such an arse. your constant ranting about "the enemy within" is getting tired. nobody but a bunch of crazies would believe that the US military is intentionally terrorizing these people. im not saying that we dont sometimes accidentally freak out an iraqi civilian or two, that is just part of occupation duty.


I think I'm hardly being an "arse"  I'm polite, civil, and my questions are valid.

Stringer WMD's??? this thread is not about WMDs???? if you want to beat that dead horse start a new thread.

Basically the only answers to my issue with the "enemy within" (wich is what I see when a prominent leader ignores progress and says we are going to lose for political gain of his party) is more questions about Bush.

What about this....what about that.....that doesn't fix the problem.  I see a definate problem here with some of these democrats .AND SO DO OTHER DOMOCRATS AS WELL .  They are taking political jabs at the expense of the American efforts in Iraq for nothing more than political gain.  WMD's Haliburton, Abu Garib....yes these are serious issues, but does this mean victory is not within our grasp and defeat is inevatable?

Stringer at what cost do you want the president accountable?  If you were a prominant political figure would you go on record as saying we are beat in Iraq, our troops need to come home just to hold the president accountable?

and again, the progress there is evident yet widely ignored
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« Reply #88 on: December 07, 2005, 08:25:20 PM »
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Stringer WMD's??? this thread is not about WMDs???? if you want to beat that dead horse start a new thread.

 Stringer at what cost do you want the president accountable?  If you were a prominant political figure would you go on record as saying we are beat in Iraq, our troops need to come home just to hold the president accountable?

 


The thread might not be but the Iraq war was supposed to be.....(I think that needs remembering...kind of like people like to bring up Clinton, whom I never did vote for)


Would have been better a dead horse then dead Americans if it comes out they did not have to go there.  (I'm for the Afghan operation 100%, btw)

You guys sure like to tell people what is acceptable to say and when, don't ya.

And no, I would not.  

I would however use my position to excercise my obligation to keep the Administration honest (just as I hope you would with any and all Administrations).

**Edit...BTW, I've got no problem with the Haliburton type stuff.....they are qualified and can do the job.  Better our corporations getting profits then others, but I sure don't want my taxes to go up due to it.
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« Reply #89 on: December 07, 2005, 08:56:09 PM »
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Liberals have failed to produce one person who was falsely accused of being a Communist.

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Thing is, the liberal KNOW that the accused were communists, and they think its wrong to call a communist a communist.
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