Dogfighter: The Greatest Air Battles

[RightF00T]

Anyone watching this?  Its on the history channel.  It has first and third person accounts of great dogfights in history.  What is amazing is they're using CGI to illustrate what went on.  Right now, they're explaining an F4/MIG fight in which the F4 tried to rope and failed and then they entered a rolling scissors.

[hubsonfire]

Watched it the first time it aired, then watched it again, and again, and again...

[traps]

Originally posted by RightF00T
 Right now, they're explaining an F4/MIG fight in which the F4 tried to rope and failed and then they entered a rolling scissors.

 yes Randall "Duke" Cunningham is the F4 pilot,
 

             wonder where he is now

[Howitzer]

Yeah I watched it the first time.  Was a great account of all the wars, wish they would do one that is just WWII.  Some of the german 30mm footage is amazing, especially where the one round blew that p51 in half.  

Also seemed that their 50cal bullets do more damage than ours do  

[Golfer]

Originally posted by traps
yes Randall "Duke" Cunningham is the F4 pilot,
 

             wonder where he is now

Trying to get a monopoly on aerial gas stations for F4's out of go juice.  I hear he's having trouble finding the funding

[airbumba]

I wish I could see that, but Canadian History Chanell is slower.

Being Canadian , I do know that the greatest air battle of WW2 was over Dieppe. And as a Canadian, I can't thank enough all the RAF that tried their best to minimize the results of a beachhead tragedy. Many CDN soldiers , were given extra vigor to try and fight on, against all odds, when witnessing the endless vapour trails that criss crossed the skies, as our commonwealth brothers fought the Lufftwaffa, man for man, squad for squad for 8 hours.

Some RAF pilots refueled and rearmed 3 times. There isn't a single Canadian who knows their WW2 stuff, that isn't endebted to those valiant RAF guys, and what they did to help. We'll forever be endebted.

Note:The RAF sent 48 squadrons of Spits and were met by 200 German fighters from JG2,JG26 and bombers from KG2,KG45 and KG 77.

4,386 of 6,034 CDN troops died. On your head Mountbatton.

[Octavius]

Recorded it earlier and just finished watching.  Anderson's rope of the 109 made me tingly inside.

[eilif]

I just finished watching it 15 minutes ago, very entertaining and informative, its amazing all the things that transfer from sim to real life, tho it was also very clear just how much doesnt.

[RightF00T]

LOL except for the MiG dweeb goin for the HO, sprayin and prayin the whole way.  I immediately thought of the MA when that happened.   I bet the MiG pilot was yelling "Come back here and fight ya pansy!", while Duke was calmly BnZin.  Then the MiG yelled "Real men fly russian planes and use cannons to kill friggin sidewinder dweeb!"

[Mime]

Originally posted by Octavius
Recorded it earlier and just finished watching.  Anderson's rope of the 109 made me tingly inside.

it is nice fantasty

[Zazen13]

I've watched this every-time it has come on. While the battle recreations from the various eras are interesting anecdotal accounts such as these are available in print by the thousands. What really 'turns me on' about this program is the demeanor and attitude of those living pilots. Facing real death and scared chit-less they still maintained an other-wordly stoicism. The matter-of-fact way they describe an engagement and the re-telling of the thoughts and feelings they had at pivotal points during the engagement provide tremendous insight into the mind-set of the pure air warrior and their prodigious mental fortitude under fire. I get goose bumpily all over just talking about it.



Zazen

[Fencer51]

The actual title of the program was "DogFights".  The History channel evidently can't help itself by adding the extra fluff.

[Octavius]

Originally posted by Mime
it is nice fantasty

109 prolly blew his wad on that hard break semi reversal.

[SKJohn]

I heard Bud Anderson say that the P-51 could out-turn the 109.  Is this true?  Was he talking about at high speeds?  IIRC, someone in here did a turn comparison, and 109 took like 18-20 seconds to turn, but the P-51 took 21 - 22 seconds. Not a big difference, but....
Maybe someone who has the actual performance data (I don't!) could clear this up.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by SKJohn
I heard Bud Anderson say that the P-51 could out-turn the 109.  Is this true?  Was he talking about at high speeds?  IIRC, someone in here did a turn comparison, and 109 took like 18-20 seconds to turn, but the P-51 took 21 - 22 seconds. Not a big difference, but....
Maybe someone who has the actual performance data (I don't!) could clear this up.

Keep in mind they were fighting well over 20k, the P51s positional flaps would play a huge role up there.

Zazen