Author Topic: As we put 1941 behind us... (Read 800 times)

Oldman731 · « **on:** January 30, 2006, 11:24:51 AM »

...I was surprised to find just how interesting a match the Friederich v. the Spit V has been. The spit still has the upper hand, but not by much.

- oldman

Sable · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2006, 11:56:01 AM »

I'm more of a BnZ guy and to me the 109F seems to have a very useable edge over the Spit V - as long as you avoid any kind of Co-E turnfight. The 109's rate of climb and speed advantage mean that you can generally always enter the fight from above, and then can escape if you get into trouble.

The 190 is a class better IMO - it's a little faster and still outclimbs the Spit, but has a more forgiving gun package, and it's handling at high speed and roll rate at all speeds are much better then the 109. Also it has much better visiblity.

I'm really interested to see how the Spit IX is going to alter the balance.

FOGOLD · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2006, 12:57:30 PM »

Yes it is interesting. The 109F fought the Spit 5 over Malta and the good LW pilots took a good few Spit V pilots to their graves.

Anyone ineterested, "Battle Over Malta" by Anthony Rogers is a fantastic account of the air war there. The story of the death of Flt Lt Norman McQueen is particularly poignant and interesting from a tactical point of view. I often thinkof that encounter when playing AH. How sudden death came to the unwary.

TankBstr · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2006, 01:42:55 PM »

I think the quality of the 109F pilots has been outstanding - the Finns are really giving us Brits a run for our money. The ability to engage and disengage at will, as well as climb like a rocket, are incredible assets that they're using against us. The only 109 kills I've gotten thus far are when I've caught them unawares. Mind you, I'm just an average Spit pilot, and a lot of the 109 pilots are dedicated to their craft. I'm much more comfortable driving air-to-mud in my Tiffie.

TexMurphy · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2006, 03:07:20 PM »

I have to say the Hurricane was propably the best plane during these few days.

In the hurrie I didnt ever have any problems dealing with the BnZers, as long as I saw them (still adjusting to the 3.0k dot range) and any one who stayed to fight was dead.

The Fredrichs melted like butter in the sun to the quad hiazookas of the Hurrie.

Found it much much more usefull then the spit. The spit doesnt have the same lethality as the hurrie. It doesnt have as distinct turning advantage as the hurrie and that is very important when you fight against BnZers.

Also the fragile wings of the spit make it much less resilient and exposes it much more to stray pings.

So personally Id rank the planes of this period like this.

1. Hurrie IIc
2. 109F
3. SpitV

Tex

storch · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2006, 03:44:29 PM »

yup the hurri should still be in production as front line fighter as long as HTC does the modelling on it.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2006, 04:55:53 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
yup the hurri should still be in production as front line fighter as long as HTC does the modelling on it.

This is why Luftwhining should be considered an art form

Grits · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2006, 05:15:10 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
yup the hurri should still be in production as front line fighter as long as HTC does the modelling on it.

Funny, I havent had any problem with them, maybe its your flying?

Eagler · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2006, 05:31:00 PM »

109f vs spitV is a good fight now

109f vc hurri2C is a fun fight too depending on the pilots

FOGOLD · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2006, 05:38:29 PM »

Someone in a Hurri shot me down in an FW 190 tonight:o

I've learned little in 5 years.

storch · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2006, 05:46:52 PM »

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This is why Luftwhining should be considered an art form

thank you dan I'm quite proud of that one myself.

Slash27 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2006, 08:53:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Funny, I havent had any problem with them, maybe its your flying?

Surely not.

gear · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2006, 09:16:37 PM »

GLad to see when heavys show up.Love the 30k bombing.

FiLtH · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2006, 08:06:21 AM »

Yes Friday night I plan to start the 8th AF offensive. Im gonna hit every henhouse, doghouse,potatohouse,lighthouse, delouse, white blouse, blah blah blah ..I hate Tommy Lee Jones.

gear · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2006, 05:37:00 PM »

I'm there:aok