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Offline mietla

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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2000, 11:46:00 PM »
Dowding,
keep your socialist disease to yourself please. We do not need it here, thank you very much.

BTW, if you are wondering about my "credentials" on socialism, I lived it for most of my life and saw it first hand. I'll take Black Plague any day of the week instead.



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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2000, 02:01:00 AM »
mietla

Heh, you capitalistic exploiting opressing pigdog!

Ya know, capitalism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive.

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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2000, 10:00:00 AM »
 
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mietla
Ya know, capitalism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive.


Oh yes they are. Capitalism means a personal freedom and prosperity, socialism and or communism (don't tell me you can stop at the socialism) means a destruction of a nation for decades.

You let the government to do "the good", and you can kiss you freedom goodbye. It tears me apart to see the Good Old US of A to slowly turn commie.

Don't get me going on that.

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2000, 10:06:00 AM »
 
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You let the government to do "the good", and you can kiss you freedom goodbye. It tears me apart to see the Good Old US of A to slowly turn commie.

Don't get me going on that.[/B]

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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2000, 10:07:00 AM »
 
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Heh, you capitalistic exploiting opressing pigdog!

And you know something StSanta, nothing feels better that oppressing some poor guy before breakfast. Try it sometime, you'll like it.

I just love the Capitalism and my ability to oppress people left and right.

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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2000, 10:13:00 AM »
Britain might have changed just a little in 300 years.   Britain founded your little  country anyway, back when we had one of the largest empires on Earth. People shouldn't be disparaging of their roots, anyway.    

And besides we gave democracy a foothold in modern government (for our sins). And that's a word you americans a quite liberal with. Oh, and no country can really claim to be whiter than white - to do so is pure, unadulterated naivety. America has done some pretty nasty things in the past, on a par with anything you might level at us brits. I don't want to go into that - its pointless.

BTW - by conforming to your country's laws you are already being 'told what to do' surely?

Socialist disease? Jeez, you obviously align yourself with the McCarthy school of thought, mietla. Nationalism has had some pretty horrific effects too you know (and continues to). If you are from a former Eastern Bloc country - sure that was a terrible situation, no-one can credibly deny that. But look at how blacks were (openly) treated in America just 30 years ago. I think to a black person in Birmingham, Alabama in the 60s, Black Death would be a more attractive alternative too.

America turning commie? Socialism leads to communism? Thats utter crap and you know it!!!! It's comparable to saying than patriotism leads to nationalism which leads to faschism. Patriotism is something that America is very proud of and has been since its inception - but this hasn't led to fascism. Or has it, you tell me?

You should be more afraid of big business and the grip it has over government - when money becomes more important than anything democracy hold dear.

I hope your last comment is a (breath-takingly unfunny) joke mietla. Or do you agree with oppressing minorities? What are your thoughts on the black rights movement? Just a bunch of jumped up cupcakes, eh?

Oh, and well said StSanta. Well, kinda.    




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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2000, 10:37:00 AM »
 
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You should be more afraid of big business and the grip it has over government - when money becomes more important than anything democracy hold dear.

The government is what I'm afraid of. Whatever you say about the big business, they can't force you to buy their stuff, the government can. They can't set an arbitrary price, the government can. They can't away take half of your income, the government can. They can't put you in jail if you refuse, the governmant can.

I just boggles my mind when people are willing to give the government a power to control the "big business".


 
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Or do you agree with oppressing minorities? What are your thoughts on the black rights movement? Just a bunch of jumped up cupcakes, eh?
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Why did you think it was appropriate to bring racism here? Very typical for a leftie, out of arguments, call the opponent a bigot, a racist, a gay hater, or the best one "close minded".

I do not look at people at black and white (neither does our Constitution).


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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2000, 11:01:00 AM »
 
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I just love the Capitalism and my ability to oppress people left and right.

YOU did right this? And what is racism is if not a form of oppression? Or is one form of oppression more acceptable than another? Please tell me, I really want to know.

You're right, big business doesn't put you in jail. But it does give politicians 'incentives' to do its bidding - it has massive control over our lives - getting legislation passed for its own good. Its not as simple as people buying products - they control so much in our lives.

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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2000, 11:05:00 AM »
If you want less of it....tax it.

If you want more of it....subsidize it.

If you want it to be totally ineffective and unworkable...let government do it.

If you want it to work...let somebody make a profit doing it in a competitive market place.

 
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2000, 12:20:00 PM »
 
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YOU did right this? And what is racism is if not a form of oppression?

I said nothing about race. I was being sarcastic, and I was referring to the oppresion of a common guy the the "capitalist system" mentioned by StSanta.


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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2000, 12:36:00 PM »
Sorry, perhaps I mis-understood then - what you wrote wasn't too clear.

Racism is a form of oppression, especially when institutionalized.

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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2000, 12:52:00 PM »
 
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Racism is a form of oppression, especially when institutionalized.


I agree. And it is sad that our government keeps making and enforcing racist laws.


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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2000, 12:57:00 PM »
Good. I misunderstood what you are saying, which is easy to do when you can't get instant clarification. Which laws are racist?

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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2000, 01:02:00 PM »
I can think of one law that is not racist but rather discrimenation, although its a state-by-state law.  

That would be Gov't forcing employers to hire employees NOT based on whether they can perform the job well, or whether they are qualified, but rather on the color of their skin.  That one still makes me shrug.

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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2000, 01:17:00 PM »
 
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Good. I misunderstood what you are saying, which is easy to do when you can't get instant clarification. Which laws are racist?


So called affirmative action for instance. As a matter of fact any law that enumerates people by  the color of their skin is racist by definition. All laws should be by a definition applicable to all citizens, ragardless of their attributes. Enumeration is redundant and exclusive.