Convicted criminals/voting right

[StSanta]

This is something that I have a limited knowledge about and try to rectify.

To the best of my knowledge, in Denmark once a criminal has served his time, he has paid his dues and will be accepted back into society. This means (again AFAIK), tha tthat person will be able to vote.

In the US, reading from CNN about Clinton's pardons, this does not seem to be the case.

Could someone explain to me when a person is not allowed to vote after committing and serving his time, and whether there is a consensus in the US that punishment should extend so that certain rights are withdrawn even after a person has served his time/paid his dues to society?

I dunno abou whether this is good or bad, just want to know more.


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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

"We are the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldritch

[SOB]

IIRC, if you're convicted of a felony (and you can't get the record expunged later), you are no long eligeable to vote.


SOB

[Eagler]

Who said they can't vote  

"At least 452 felons voted illegally at the polls in Broward County on Nov. 7, casting more doubt on the effectiveness of state laws to protect the integrity of the ballot box, a Herald investigation has found.

Of the illegal 452 ballots, 343 were cast by Democrats and 62 by Republicans. "

Eagler

[funked]

LOL Eagler.

StSanta have you ever been in a jail in the US?  Trust me you do not want many of these people voting.

[AKDejaVu]

Some questions for you StSanta:[list=1]

• At what age can people vote in Denmark?
• What percentage of jobs in Denmark are staffed by imigrants?
• how receptive is Denmark to immigrants (as a country.. not personally)?
• how easy is it for a person to become a citizen of Denmark?[/list=a]
  
  I also find this thread strange coming from someone who was arguing for only educated people being able to vote in a different thread.
  
  AKDejaVu

[StSanta]

Some questions for you StSanta:

1.At what age can people vote in Denmark?

You gotta be 18 years old and a citizen of Denmark

2.What percentage of jobs in Denmark are staffed by imigrants?

Guess we got around 5% of total population here.

3.how receptive is Denmark to immigrants (as a country.. not personally)?

In European terms, very. Scandinavia and Germany are the most open in Europe.
                           
4.how easy is it for a person to become a citizen of Denmark?

Easy from what I hear. Live here for five years or so and apply. Unless you got a criminal sheet of a nazi, it should not be a problem.

I also find this thread strange coming from someone who was arguing for only educated people being able to vote in
a different thread.

LOL, that was a humorous comment  .

Hey as I said, I ain't passing judgement on it. I just wanna know more.



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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

"We are the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldritch

[AKDejaVu]

 

You gotta be 18 years old and a citizen of Denmark

You must be at least 18 in the US as well.  Might I also add that your adoption of US slang is commendable

 

Guess we got around 5% of total population here

Really?  You may want to look that one up.  Where do you work?  How many people there are not from Denmark?

 

In European terms, very. Scandinavia and Germany are the most open in Europe.

Ah.. the disclaimer "In European terms".  Come on StSanta, You've been to the US... how does Denmark rank in American terms?  Are there any large quantity of unemployed imigrants currently living in Denmark?

 

Easy from what I hear. Live here for five years or so and apply. Unless you got a criminal sheet of a nazi, it should not be a problem.

You may want to look at that one too Santa.  Would a felony of any kind disqualify you from becoming a citizen of Denmark?

AKDejaVu

[Animal]

Dejavu he was only asking a question; you dont have to go around splashing your underwear every time someone asks or mentions something about the US.

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Nothing feels sweeter than facing a powerful enemy 1 on 1, the battle is tough, but you emerge victorious. As he types <S>!!! on channel one, you open fire on his chute.

[Fatty]

Speaking of voting...when are you freeloaders going to vote for statehood???

[Ripsnort]

Santa, it varies from state to state, and your CNN-only info will only fuel the liberal left fire you have already burning.  

[AKDejaVu]

 

Dejavu he was only asking a question; you dont have to go around splashing your underwear every time someone asks or mentions something about the US.

Erm.. I was only asking questions too Animal.  You don't have to jump in every time you think someone is simply trying to be pro-US.  Or do you actually have anything to contribute to this thread?

AKDejaVu

[Eagler]

Like Rip said:

    Laws on the voting rights of felons vary widely from state to state.
   * Michigan and 45 other states and the District of Columbia prohibit felons from voting while in prison.
   * 32 states prohibit offenders from voting while on parole.
   * 29 states bar voting while on probation.
   * Felons are barred for life from voting in 14 states, a prohibition that can be waived only through a gubernatorial pardon or some other form of clemency.
   * Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont allow prison inmates to vote.
 Copyright 1999, The Detroit News

Wouldn't you know it, this is becoming a race issue too as the highest percentage of ppl this affects is the African American male. Thus the Democrat push to reinstate their voting privileges.
 www.detnews.com/1999/nation/9902/24/02240183.htm

Eagler
 

[Ripsnort]

Santa, watch Fox News Network, then join us in a celebration dance!
 
Bush is 'right'

[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 01-23-2001).]

[StSanta]

Thanks eagler, that was the info I was looking at.

Deja, not sure where you're going with this. I checked the numbers and as far as I tell (have link at my fathers place, will go there tonight and then post it here for you to see), about 7% of the Danish population are immigrants.

If you've lived in Denmark for five years and have a clean sheet, getting a citizenship is no problem. If you're convicted for serious crime, it will be quite hard. This has to do with *citizenship*, not being unable to vote *as a citizen* after committing a crime and serving time.

"In European terms" means just that. The US consists of 90% immigrants if not more (not sure how big the indigous Indian population is), and comparing the two would be like comparing apples and oranges. I'm sure that you can see the logic in this.

I don't work. I'm a student still. There are three students with ethnic background other than Danish in my class which consists of 25 students.

The Danish state is quite concerned about lack of integration of immigrants into Danish society and a number of steps have been taken. None have been especially effective; amongst certain ethnic groups, Danes are considered dumb for letting people access the welfare system without making particularly tough demands. We'll see where it goes from here; I personally support a more open border figuring if a country like Denmark can't afford it, no country can. And that would be a sorry world.



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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

"We are the light at the end of your sorry little tunnel." - A. Eldritch

[AKDejaVu]

 

"In European terms" means just that. The US consists of 90% immigrants if not more (not sure how big the indigous Indian population is), and comparing the two would be like comparing apples and oranges. I'm sure that you can see the logic in this.

Ah.. yes I can see the logic in it.  However, at times I wonder if you consider it.  Comparing the two countries are like comparing apples and oranges.

When you presented the "question", you didn't simply ask a question.  You did something else.  You used the term "To the best of my knowledge, in Denmark once a criminal has served his time, he has paid his dues and will be accepted back into society." Then followed with "is a consensus in the US that punishment should extend so that certain rights are withdrawn even after a person has served his time/paid his dues to society?".

The question was not simply looking for the answer provided above but also questioning an ideology that removes the rights of someone that has already been punished.

I asked you about your country's imigration and naturalization policies because I'm curious as to how easy it is to become a voter in your country.  In the US, it is relatively simple.  We relatively open borders when compared to "European terms".  The ammount of new voters we get each decade through naturalization would compare to your country's entire population.  These are people that are receiving all of the rights of citizenship.  To be honest, it is quite easy.

With that ease of obtaining citizenship and the right to vote comes something of a belief that easily given... easily taken away.  This doesn't necessarily aply to citizenship itsef, but to other rights obtained weith citizenship.  Things like the right to bear arms and the right to vote.  Many believe there are actions that merit the removal of these rights.  Some states feel that comitting a felony crime is sufficient.

I'm not really for nor against loss of voting privileges because of felony convictions.  I am of the belief that comparing US with Danish policies is somewhat similar to comparing apples to oranges.  When questioning a US policy, why cite a Danish one?

BTW.. are you sure convicted felons can still vote in Denmark?  

AKDejaVu