Author Topic: Delay... Scum or Biggest Scum? (Read 1154 times)

Nash · « **Reply #30 on:** February 11, 2006, 03:18:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yes I will take a wait and see attitude because Liberals and the media tend to make mountains out of mole hills any time there's a hint of inproprioty involving a republican.

But let me just get this strait. Harry Reid too money from Abramoff's firm and several Indian tribes that he represents, but that doesnt count as Abramoff money? Is that your contention? Does this apply to republicans as well that in as long as they didn't take it from Abramoff himself they didn't take any Abramoff money to include Abramoff's firm, his clients, and their staffs?

First off, let me again try to beat this into your brain. Reid took no (that is zero, nothing, nada) from Abramoff.

Let's examine your words for a minute, okay? You say:

"Harry Reid too money from Abramoff's firm and several Indian tribes that he represents,"

That's simply not true. Or at least not true as you'd have it.

Did Reid take money from tribes that Abramoff also happened to represent? Yes.

Did he take campaign contributions from those tribes before Abramoff strated ripping them off? Yes.

Anything wrong with that? No.

Did Reid take "money from Abramoff's firm?" No

Do politicians accept contributions from groups, corporations, unions, etc? Yes.

Is that legal? Yes.

Is there anything illegal about accepting funds from the same people that Abramoff also happened to be representing? No.

Did Reid's contributions from those tribes start to diminish once Abramoff took over and started to direct that money to Republicans? Yes.

Did Reid do any favours for these groups in a quid pro quo? No.

Did Republicans? Yes.

Well isn't there some kind of impropriety about receiving money from groups who became clients of Abramoff? No. Unless you are guilty of smuggling because your Grandma smokes Cuban cigars.

Still missing something here? Go ahead and ask.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #31 on:** February 11, 2006, 03:35:25 PM »

So it's a coincidence that these indian tribes happened to be represented by Abramoff and that Reid did vote in favor to help them out and none of this:

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Reid, D-Nev., has led the Democratic Party's attacks portraying Abramoff's lobbying and fundraising as a Republican scandal. But Abramoff's records show his lobbying partners billed for nearly two dozen phone contacts or meetings with Reid's office in 2001 alone.

Most were to discuss Democratic legislation that would have applied the U.S. minimum wage to the Northern Mariana Islands, a U.S. territory and Abramoff client, but would have given the islands a temporary break on the wage rate, the billing records show.

Reid also intervened on government matters at least five times in ways helpful to Abramoff's tribal clients, once opposing legislation on the Senate floor and four times sending letters pressing the Bush administration on tribal issues. Reid collected donations around the time of each action.

Actually links Ried with Abramoff at all?

and nothing wrong with the Indian tribes that have supported Democrats more than Republicans. They seem to be the Abramoff clients who are getting most of the attention.

nope just a coincidence huh?

Never mind the FACT that Congressional Investigators in the Abramoff probe are focusing their attention on five "top tier" Congressional suspects: Senators Conrad Burns, Montana Republican; Byron Dorgan, North Dakota Democrat; and Minority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, along with Reps. J.D. Hayworth, Arizona Republican, and Bob Ney, Ohio Republican

Then there's the report that 40 of the 45 Deomcrat Senators have recieved money (legal or otherwise) from Abramoff's firm and/or his clients. But that's just coincidence huh?

culero · « **Reply #32 on:** February 11, 2006, 03:42:15 PM »

Completely apart from the discussion here, but in answer to MT's subject header, I'd like to say that Tom Delay is the scummiest of scum, more so than any politician I can think of.

Qualifier: I am a Texan who leans slightly more right than left, and detests both political parties. There are very few politicians I approve of. Still, Delay stands out in my mind.

culero (who doesn't even care about this particular issue, really)

Nash · « **Reply #33 on:** February 11, 2006, 04:02:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
So it's a coincidence...

Give me a break. I aint a five year-old.

Abramoff was lobbying AGAINST this legislation. Reid was in SUPPORT of it. He ranted on the floor about it.

Hell - HE COSPONSERED THE DANG BILL ABRAMOFF WAS AGAINST!

And you want to connect him to some kind of quid pro quo over it?

That is just loony.

Yeager · « **Reply #34 on:** February 11, 2006, 04:20:33 PM »

hillary is the devil

delay is just her little vibro tool

Eagler · « **Reply #35 on:** February 11, 2006, 04:46:49 PM »

term limits
and remove the right to vote themselves a raise while lowering their retirement packages
make the position one of serving the public best interests first over getting fitlhy rich and all powerful

Sandman · « **Reply #36 on:** February 11, 2006, 04:50:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
term limits
and remove the right to vote themselves a raise while lowering their retirement packages
make the position one of serving the public best interests first over getting fitlhy rich and all powerful

Campaign finance and lobby reform is what we need.

I don't favor term limits.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #37 on:** February 11, 2006, 04:54:47 PM »

I think it's time to get our representatives and senators out of Washington altogether.

Limit them to one week in DC either side of the SOU, and the rest of the time they are required to stay in their own states and districts. They can vote and suggest legislation by secure data link, question witness and nominees via video link.

Keep them at home and I have easier access to my representative, and the lobbists have a harder time. That and a max 12 years and I think things would be a whole lot better.

Oh and they must be disbarred if elected.

Nash · « **Reply #38 on:** February 11, 2006, 05:03:15 PM »

Aint that just so typical.

Make the penalties harsher, say folks like Eagler.

What a novel solution (that we hear time and time again).

Well here's an idea.

How about just enforcing the damned laws that are perfectly adequate and already exist?

Hows about Repugs actually abide by them?

Guys. The laws forbidding this DO exist. DA's across the country are investigating and prosecutting.

This starts at Abramoff but it sure doesn't end there. Just today three more Republicans have been implicated.

Law works.

(mostly)

But come on. Blame laws or the lack thereof? Blame the lack of term limits? What the hell is stuck in your throat? Why not instead (holy smokes) BLAME THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BREAKING THE GAWDAMNED LAW?

Jeese - what an outlandish suggestion.

rpm · « **Reply #39 on:** February 11, 2006, 06:12:02 PM »

To answer the original question, Delay is what pond scum becomes after it has been on the pond for years and has morphed into uberscum.

As for the current debate, are there crooked Democrat politicians as well as Republicans? The answer is they are both career politicians, therefore they are crooks. It's the nature of the beast.

midnight Target · « **Reply #40 on:** February 11, 2006, 06:21:10 PM »

Nah, thats not the debate.

What we are seeing here is the typical scenario now-a-days.

Someone from the ruling party gets his hand caught in the cookie jar...It is reported (poorly in this case). The talking heads for the ruling party immediately begin looking for ways to blame everyone else.

Or in the case of this BBS,

The coolaid drinkers immediately begin looking for democrats who might have done something similar. Why? Because it proves their guy innocent? Hardly, just to get that warm fuzzy glow that they can't be all bad.

Of course in this case they have nothing.

AND Delay is still a two faced scum sucking piece of crap who supported slavery and forced abortions.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #41 on:** February 11, 2006, 06:22:57 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Nah, thats not the debate.

What we are seeing here is the typical scenario now-a-days.

Someone from the ruling party gets his hand caught in the cookie jar...It is reported (poorly in this case). The talking heads for the ruling party immediately begin looking for ways to blame everyone else.

Or in the case of this BBS,

The coolaid drinkers immediately begin looking for democrats who might have done something similar. Why? Because it proves their guy innicent? Hardly, just to get that warm fuzzy glow that they can't be all bad.

Of course in this case they have nothing.

AND Delay is still a two faced scum sucking piece of crap who supported slavery and forced abortions.

Show me any where in this thread were I defended Delay or excused what some corrupt politicians may have done. Keep toting that partyline "culture of corruption" its going to work well.

midnight Target · « **Reply #42 on:** February 11, 2006, 06:27:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Show me any where in this thread were I defended Delay or excused what some corrupt politicians may have done. Keep toting that partyline "culture of corruption" its going to work well.

You did exactly what I said you did in my last post.

Nash · « **Reply #43 on:** February 11, 2006, 06:32:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Show me any where in this thread were I defended Delay or excused what some corrupt politicians may have done. Keep toting that partyline "culture of corruption" its going to work well.

How about your first post in this thread?

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"Congress is being run like a plantation....and you all KNOW what I mean by that" -Hillary Clinton

At least she's honest about her pandering.

Then there's "not one democrat took one dime of Ambramoff money" -Howard Dean, Chairman DNC

quote: (some misleading crap)

Scum is as scum does.

You're joking, right?

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #44 on:** February 11, 2006, 06:52:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
We live in the information age.

Can someone tell me why we still need an elected representative?

I seriously doubt whether the system we beleive to be our election system is even the way it works anymore. Just another illusion to pacify the masses. Like the guy said aboeve, we are only allowed to vote for employes of the corporate world. The presidient is just a hood ornament on the battleship. I cant wait for the future, corporate warfare.