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Offline mrfish

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2001, 02:31:00 PM »
 
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Clinton is just another crossbred hillbilly with a silver tongue

- gotcha paint - i might use that silver-toungue-hillbilly bit.....that would make a good band name for a rockabilly band:

"jebediah and the crossbread silver tounged hillbillies"

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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2001, 02:59:00 PM »
otoh the bad taste from it it could give McCain the support he needs to make those idiots (on both sides) pass campaign finance.

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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2001, 03:07:00 PM »
Fatty

What are more laws going to do when we can't enforce the ones we have now?? It the same argument as gun control. Several of those pardoned were incriminated with illegal fund raising. Where are they now? Out on the streets or looking at reduced sentences thanks to slick willie.

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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2001, 03:19:00 PM »

------sorry - off topic warning------

You know jebediah, mrfish? They openned for our band when they played here a few months ago. Nice people, for Australians  

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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2001, 03:23:00 PM »
Well, Eagler, we can throw up our hands and give up, or we can try to do something about it.

People talk about the fact the parties are very similar, but it's no suprise when you take into account many of the major contributers are buying favors from both parties, not just one.

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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2001, 03:35:00 PM »
cc Fatty, no argument there...

I did like the fact that Bush published his contributions during the election. More than we can saw about goron and company..

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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2001, 04:08:00 PM »
   
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2001, 04:11:00 PM »
 
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------sorry - off topic warning------

You know jebediah, mrfish? They openned for our band when they played here a few months ago. Nice people, for Australians  

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nope sorry nash - i was just bein' a smart-ass and the name always gives me a laugh  


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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2001, 04:52:00 PM »
 PUNT!

 Still waiting on the republican spin on this.

 
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2001, 05:24:00 PM »
I've got no spin on it Jihad.  This latest is just one more example of political corruption, it's not party specific.

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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2001, 05:48:00 PM »
 Thank you Fatty, thats exactly the point I was looking for.

 This latest is just one more example of political corruption, it's not party specific.

  I'm just becoming tired of the Adolph <Rush> Limbaugh rhetoric being spewed everywhere.

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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2001, 08:14:00 PM »
Fatty are you talking about the Presidential pardons granted to Weinberger and five other Iran-contra defendants on Christmas Eve 1992 by President Bush?

You know the one that got Weinberger of the hook from testifying in a court of law.

Hmmm, come to think to think of it who was Casper's right hand man during the eighties?

Wasn't it Colin Powell?

You know what the scary thing is? This traitor now holds a HIGHER office!  


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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2001, 09:20:00 PM »
 
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Fatty are you talking about the Presidential pardons granted to Weinberger and five other Iran-contra defendants on Christmas Eve 1992 by President Bush?

You know the one that got Weinberger of the hook from testifying in a court of law.

Hmmm, come to think to think of it who was Casper's right hand man during the eighties?

Wasn't it Colin Powell?

You know what the scary thing is? This traitor now holds a HIGHER office!    


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Blur,

What, other than your over inflated opinion, is your basis in fact for alleging that Colin Powell is a traitor???

This seems like another "cheap shot" that you deride others in this bbs for using. I guess it's ok for you to do it though.

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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2001, 09:22:00 PM »
Burton demands documents on Clinton pardon of financier
January 25, 2001
Web posted at: 6:26 PM EST (2326 GMT)


By Terry Frieden/CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton's controversial last-minute pardon of wealthy financier Marc Rich has spawned an investigation by a congressional panel.

House Government Reform Committee Chairman Dan Burton, R-Indiana, sent six letters to government officials and private attorneys Thursday demanding documents for his committee's investigation.

In a letter to Acting Attorney General Eric Holder, whose Justice Department houses the files of pardon applications, Burton demanded records relating to efforts to obtain clemency for Rich or associate Pincus Green. Later, in an interview with CNN's Judy Woodruff, Burton acknowledged the Justice Department may not have any relevant documents.

"The Justice Department didn't know anything about this," said Burton, who complained the president had taken the unusual step of circumventing the normal procedures. Applications for presidential pardons generally go to the Justice Department's U.S. Pardon Attorney Roger Adams, who compiles information and forwards them to the White House for consideration.

Clinton pardoned Rich about two hours before he left office last Saturday.

Rich who lives in Switzerland fled the U.S. in 1983 after being indicted for wire fraud, racketeering, and income tax evasion. He was also charged with violating trade restrictions with Iran at the time the government in Tehran was holding U.S. diplomats as hostages.

Rich, now 66, is an active businessman in Switzerland. His ex-wife Denise is an active Democratic Party fund-raiser and contributed to Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate campaign.

Burton says he wants his House committee "to determine whether the president had an improper motive for the pardons, whether law enforcement authorities were consulted before the pardons were granted, and determine if any regulations governing the lobbying of the president may have been violated."

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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2001, 09:26:00 PM »
 
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PUNT!

 Still waiting on the republican spin on this.

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Jihad,

When was this discovered? That is critical to your implication that a Republican Executive had anything to do with propogating it.

A second question is why did clinton feel the need to actually pardon them??? Oh yeah, hillary is a senator for NY now.... I can see why he would suck up to them.

I can understand why one felon would want to get other felons off the hook from prosecution or sentencing, even if it was 140 of them. I don't have to like it and it certainly didn't influence me to have any respect for the felon who occupied the Oval Office the last 8 years.

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