It's the guns more than anything

[HardRock]

See Rule #4, #5

[Bronk]

Originally posted by HardRock

See Rule #4, #5
 

Bronk

[Mister Fork]

Originally posted by HardRock
See Rule #4, #5

HR, that comment about being a 'good little nazi', I take offense to it since I fly primarily Luftwaffe aircraft.  You're essentially calling all Axis pilots Nazies which is uncalled for, perhaps something you didn't intend.

[HardRock]

See Rule #5

[Krusty]

I had the opportunity to go 1v1 with Yeager in his hurr2 and my hurr1 last night...

Just saying "the hurr1 flies rings around the hurr2" doesn't really describe the situation. Yeager was able to HO me many many times in a row with devastating damage, when I as valiantly trying to evade the HO. All it takes is 1 ping to lose oil (and the ability to aim) pilot, or a wing, in a HO with a hurr2. Hell I tried HOing him back, but 8x 303s suck for damage. The hurr2 soaks up a LOT of damage. By the time I had got 1 kill on him (with a fresh plane) I was down to 1/2 my total ammo count. Most of my rounds HIT, as well (not so much spraying).

If (rare case) I was able to get PAST the HO, the Hurr2 flies the same as the Hurr1. In fact, it flies better because the carb doesn't cut out in nose high situations, the engine is more powerful, and it can turn just about the same, so it really does out-class the hurr1.

Versus a P40B, the hurr1 seems to easily win -- in a turn fight, anyways. Yeager got a few shots off, a few pings were received, but I usually got the better of him when he was in P40B. With the uber Hurr2c there's no reason to fly the P40B at all. Perhaps the Hurr1 should be issued to both sides? (just thinking out loud here, feel free to agree/disagree)

[HardRock]

What I would disagree with..or rather point out...any disadvantage to either side is going to be short lived as the planes rotate.

So being outclassed for 2 weeks or whatever it is just isn't a big deal. It will happen to *both* sides at one point or the other. So for a short period you may have to fly at a disadvantage which is not a bad thing to learn.
And with the 109..you still can *command* the fight if you choose to do so.

The Hurri 2 cannons..yep..you don't want to feel the pain.

And TWO 109s will always take out one hurri..right?

[Krusty]

Hell I was just in a 109F with plenty of E and speed, coming in to help a friendly that had 2 hurr2s near him, one hurr2 pulled an immelman, and I angled in on him. He rolled instantly at the top of his immelman, practically stalled out, and pulled ANOTHER instant immelman and caught up to my 300mph+ 109F and shot me down from 400 yards instantly.

The hurr2 is BS no matter how you look at it.

99% of all planes in there on the bish team are hurr2s. I alone was flying P40B (landed a few kills) and I only saw 1 other player flying a p40 when I switched sides. No idea who it was, but he died fast (and how!).

The hurr2 is way outta hand.

[Mister Fork]

I agree in saying that the HurriIIC is a beast of an aircraft WRT it's guns.

Kill Stats for Sunday-Tuesday:
Hurri Mk IIC: 126
Bf 109E-4:78
61% kill adv HurriII

Hurri Mk IIC: 57
Bf 110C-4b: 38
60% kill adv HurriII

Hurri Mk IIC: 185
Hurri Mk I: 111
63% kill adv HurriII

Stats for Wednesday/Tuesday (adding Bf 109F-4)
Hurri Mk IIC: 29
Bf 109F-4: 52
64% kill adv Bf 109F-4

Perhaps the Bf 109F-4 is the equalizer?

[HardRock]

Now see that wasn't so bad. A whole 3 days of LW wine.

Although with the 109f a 64% kill advantage might not be enough for the LW pilots.  Maybe a small LL shipment of Hurris 2 packaged with Russian cheese might help.

[Pooface]

the hurri is so lethat because it is very stable. i dont know why, but as a gun platform, both here and in real life, it was considered a very stable gun platform. i think it might be that, as the dispertion and steadiness of the aim is more noticable than on any other plane

[HardRock]

Originally posted by Pooface
the hurri is so lethat because it is very stable. i dont know why, but as a gun platform, both here and in real life, it was considered a very stable gun platform. i think it might be that, as the dispertion and steadiness of the aim is more noticable than on any other plane

That's nice. Now if my hand was steady we'd be in business. Cus it ain't got much of that 20mm stuff:)

[Slash27]

Originally posted by straffo
Actually the Tempest* got mark V instead of II like in the spits+ typhoon , and I'm not sure of the 38 but I think the american made hispano had another reference.



* early Tempest had mk II but the AH one got mkV

Same round though.

[storch]

Originally posted by straffo
Actually the Tempest* got mark V instead of II like in the spits+ typhoon , and I'm not sure of the 38 but I think the american made hispano had another reference.



* early Tempest had mk II but the AH one got mkV

IIRC the MkV was a little less prone to jams and had a higher ROF.  the jamming is thankfully not modelled in AH so it becomes an issue with ROF only.

[SuperDud]

So basically the whines have moved from the old spitV to the hurri.

[hubsonfire]

While the hurri is a wonderful plane, and does have some devastating firepower for a few seconds, it is not fast, does not climb well, and is hardpressed to win a fight with the brewster/FM2, is easily outturned by the mkI, and is just a pine box with 3-5 109s waiting overhead.

With regards to the stats, I had 5-10 kills in the first half hour that weren't from guns, but proxies from augering 109s missing their picks. While the hurri possesses an advantage in stats, I have to believe that a significant percentage of those are from the same pilot errors (augers, tree attacks) I witnessed repeatedly. It's been a while since I flew the early 109s, and perhaps they compress more easily now, and the loss of gondies on the F model doesn't help, but blaming the hurricane for everything bad that happens to the JGs is not painting an accurate picture of the situation.