Author Topic: It is... it is a NIKI! (Read 491 times)

Wilbus · « **on:** January 04, 2002, 12:45:00 PM »

Ok, almost

Damn cool plane though, will kick arse in close combats.

Cobra

mora · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2002, 06:43:00 AM »

Sure it does, if it gets close enough alive.

Hobodog · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2002, 04:08:00 PM »

Yes one hell of a maneuverable plane....the well i guess maybe call them INLINE FLIPS or something of the such.

fdiron · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2002, 02:47:00 AM »

What purpose would that maneuver serve in combat? Seems like that plane is too expensive to be playing around near stall speed, especially if its engaged in combat.

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2002, 03:00:00 AM »

Its vectored thrust, no stall problem.

streakeagle · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2002, 07:30:00 AM »

I love the Su-27, but it seems stall-speed maneuvering combat really is a thing of the past at this point. It would be a rare case for aircraft to get past the merge given AHMs (like AMRAAM) and all-aspect IRMs (like AIM-9M and AA-11). Sensor/targeting capabilities even aren't all that important anymore if you have a datalink to an AWACS. Despite the protest of pilots, the U.S. even seems to finally be heading toward unmanned drones to avoid the political problem of a captured downed pilot.

I still wish the U.S. would forget about expensive stealth technology and build a fighter to beat the crap out of the Su-27 in a dogfight. My personal preference would be and aircraft by McDonnell Douglas (now Boeing) based on the F-15 SMTD using the latest engines. With the canards, maneuvering flaps, and vector nozzles, it made the F-15 more maneuverable than anything currently flying including the Su-27 and the F-22 (which is a lame aircraft IMHO).

Xjazz · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2002, 07:52:00 AM »

Su-27 is still very good a/c but litlebit old. Check out Su-37 video

I Think USA dont have anything like Su27-37 ;-)

Wilbus · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2002, 10:53:00 AM »

Cool

The plane on "my" film is an SU37 aswell. Even more manuverable then the 27.
Su37 first flew infor normal people in 1996 so it's a very new plane still, vectored thrust etc.

Allso, the manuver it performs there is similair to the Cobra manuver, not very usefull during a combat BUT if it can do that it can without doubt outmanuver any plane.

US makes a very big misstake when they remove the manuverabilty of fighters and rely on radar and missiles. Missiles aren't as good as people think, they miss, and they aren't all that hard to avoid, countermessures etc helps good against missiles. Now, if 10 planes from each country engage eachother, fire missiles at 100km distance maybe 2 or so will be shot down from each country, you won't have time to fire again because of the closing rate is so high (imagine 2 planes each going 800-1000Mph going straight to eachother) and the close combat will begin. Su37's will outmanuver and use close distance missiles/cannons and will most likely win the fight.

Steven · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2002, 01:34:00 AM »

Yeah, but if you can't get radar or IR lock, all that goes out the window. If I can fire first and get you to have to outmaneuver my missiles, you are in a bad spot and most likely will get it on the next salvo. Stealth aspects have their place.

Xjazz · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2002, 02:50:00 AM »

Picture this:

Year 2050 "Pilot skill" is when operator push a button to launch a aircombat drone (+/- 25G) to the sky.

Art of the BFM & ACM lives only in simulators.

Wilbus · « **Reply #10 on:** January 10, 2002, 10:05:00 AM »

Stelth technology is overrated and soon (allready exist to some extent) it will be as easy to spot Stealth planes as it is to spot other planes now.

A technique you can use now, is to invert the radar, thus, everything that you DO see on the normal radar view, will not be seen and everything that you don't see (bhind mountains etc) will be seen. That way you can see a stealth plane. Of course, what I typed it here sounds alot more simple then it really is but it works and the technique will most likely be developed to such an extent that stealth will just be a fancy non functional technique.

Every new weapon in war allso gets a counter meassure.