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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2000, 04:54:00 PM »
Let me get this straight, Ripsnort, you don't like Gore much, do you?  

Some of the thing Gore talks about concerning the environment, make sense to me (I'm not very interested in the other things  ). The problem is there is a lot of controversy over man's impact on his environment, as I am sure you realise, and depending on which expert you consult you get a different picture. But I think that man has become almost as powerful in changing the environment as the factors you describe; being able to modify our environment is one ability I would attribute to our civilisation (it might even be a requirement for a race to be called a civilisation).

Just how much CO2 comes from evaporation of the seas? I know that the gas can partially dissolve in water - but I didn't think it could be significant.

Regarding the combustion engine target - I think this is an inherently worthy aim. No country, America included, wants to be reliant on oil once the price starts to rise (as it undoubtedly will as time goes on). I've always thought that burning it up in the engine may prove to be irresponsible, considering all the other uses we have for it (plastics etc). When the price starts to rise on these products, as it must do when oil becomes scarce, life might become very difficult indeed.

Regarding the damage we do to the environment - this is plain to see. Our industries pollute every medium on Earth. Our econmomics assume that raw materials will be available infinitely. We exploit and strip the natural resources of every continent on the planet, except Antarctica and its only a matter of time before the agreements on its protection are 'reviewed'. One major problem is the pollution produced by the developing world, who are aeons behind us in terms of environmental protection. I think Gore or any other politician is right to confront our  industry's record on the environment; to brush it under the carpet as unimportant is to completely miss the point.

But as I said before, Gore's suitability as a leader is something I can't comment on, I don't really care about it enough to look into. I'm sure whoever you elect will make little difference in the end - they may promise to make big changes - but anyone can make a promise; keeping it is a different matter  . I guess these days it pays to keep any country on an pretty even keel, from one government to the next.
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2000, 07:11:00 PM »
I voted for McCain in the primaries.

I have thoughts about shooting Pat.

The Bush mole and the oil reserves...sigh.

Bush is a dork, but I agree on some of his policies. Same with Gore.

But Gore has been spewing so much trash lately, contradicting himself amoung other things, no way he's getting my vote. If he can't even stay straight on the campaign trail then there's no telling what he'll do if he gets elected.

Btw Bush will win anyway. He won 82% to 10% (don't ask, they dunno how to do math) in Cosmopolitain's "Who's the cutest canidate?" poll. Given the average voter, kiss Gore's chances goodbye. Pat got a "I've seen cuter warthogs" vote.

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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2000, 11:42:00 PM »
Although I am Canadian, we're all wondering if George Bush running for president is a conspiracy set up by the CIA to secretly test the nation's I.Q.  

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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2000, 02:04:00 AM »
Yeah, it is. If you vote for Al, you are on the way low side of the  bell curve.  
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2000, 02:24:00 AM »
I would highly doubt that.

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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2000, 05:36:00 AM »
If you vote for Al, you get that idiot moral preacher Liebermann too. He is gonna clean up your tv guys and girls.

He's gonna apply his personal moral standards on you. Don't like it? Too bad, because "he is a man of integrity".

And you also get Al. And not Al as in Al Bundy; he'd rule as a president. State dinners at hooters; I'd run for office in the US.

One prude mothertaterr that one.

Vote for Bush, and you get, well, Bush. I think I made my point.

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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2000, 09:29:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by StSanta:
And you also get Al. And not Al as in Al Bundy


 Yes, more like Ted Bundy...

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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2000, 02:11:00 PM »
Neither one shines. I'd love to be able to vote for a man with integrity, who had a vision of a better way to do things and could LEAD.

However, that won't be possible in this election.

It boils down to one thing for me.

One guy thinks MORE government intervention in the daily lives of Americans is a good thing.

The other guy thinks LESS government intervention is better.

All else aside, this makes it real easy for me.

My ancestors left Ireland, Italy and France because the governments there were just a bit too involved in the daily lives of their citizens for their liking.
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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2000, 03:34:00 PM »
 And that is the final thing, Toad.
 I do not care how smart is a president being elected now. It does not protect us from an idiot being elected in the future.
 But electing a president who would limit government now will protect us from an idiots in the future.

 We can run our lives and businesses ourselves very well and we do. We do not need smart presidents to prosper in the future. We will not suffer much from dumb presidents in the future as long as the government does not get more influence over our lives.

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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2000, 03:54:00 PM »
I always get the impression that the elections in the States are personality led, and the policies are not as important. Don't know if that is true, but over here it's more about the party and what the different members of the party say on certain issues. It seems much less focussed on the leader. But that maybe a symptom of the media coverage - I guess the various discussions you have get a lot less coverage over here.

Surely you wouldn't elect an idiot to represent your nation abroad, whatever his promises were?

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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2000, 04:47:00 PM »
 Pretty much the same here in US, Dowding.

 Republicans are for less ferderal government and trust in market forces, idividual people and local governments - state and municipal.
 Unfortunately they are pro-religion and because of that they are anti-abortion and against legalizing drugs (war on drugs does not have any success over the last 100 years but keeps prices high so drug lords can prosper and addicts have to rob people to get money for the next dose). Also "pro-business" , anti-tax and "pro-gun".

 Democrats believe that government knows best and can take care of people better and should  have more control. (Of course if the people are so stupid that they cannot manage their own lives, how would you entrust them to elect a good government? What logic has to do with that?)
 They are pro-choice (abortions), but pro-tax, "anti-business" and "anti-gun".

 Since the economy and the enterpreneural freedom is the foundation of the society and civil liberties, I go with Republicans, whoever they nominate.

 Since the president has less real power here then, say P.M. in UK, the particular details of the policy are much less important. A president can't impose any drastic changes here because of congress. So the congress elections are more important in shaping the country in the long term.

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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2000, 11:21:00 PM »
If you have any doubts, this should leave none in anyone's mind.  Yes, sad, but true: Ripsnort is a Republican.

 
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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2000, 11:51:00 PM »
Other views:

1. Gore thinks "human civilization is now the dominant cause of change in the global environment." Nevermind the sun, the oceans, volcanoes, and other natural phenomena that actually do control the environment.

Human civilization hasn't been around that long and look how much it's changed the world.  

2. Gore believes that "industrial civilization" is engaged in a "terrible onslaught against the natural world." Of course, without industrial civilization, we'd all be riding horses and growing our own food. Forget about cars, computers, air conditioning, television, telephones, plastic, pharmaceuticals, et cetera.

How is that statement interpreted as a denouncement of industrialized civilization?

3. Gore's "strategic goal" is to "eliminate the internal combustion engine" by the year 2020. This particular kind of engine can be found in automobiles, trucks, vans, and a whole host of labor saving devices.

Striving to find a better power source than the internal combustion engine is a bad thing?  While his timeframe may be overoptimistic, the same could be said of Kennedy setting the goal of putting a man on the moon in a mere decade.

4. Gore believes that the "cumulative impact" of automobiles "is posing a mortal threat to the security of every nation more deadly than that of any military enemy we are ever again likely to confront."

And the counterpoint to this is?  

5. Caught making campaign finance calls from the White House, something that is against the law, Gore declared that there was "no controlling legal authority" regarding this improper behavior. Like any longtime legislator, he knew federal law prohibits soliciting campaign funds in a federal building.

Can't comment on this as I know nothing about it and can't take it at face value since it's being presented as political propaganda.  Certainly Gore and probably most other politicians are hypocritical when it comes to campaign finance laws.

6. Gore favored a government crackdown on the tiny trickle of electricity used by devices like television sets, whether they are on or not, because it results in a steady emission of carbon dioxide. All his talk of greenhouse gases and global warming ignores the fact that 95% percent of all carbon dioxide produced annually comes from the evaporation of water from the oceans, decaying organic matter, and the respiration of human beings and animals.

If that statement is true, where does the other 5% come from?  What was that figure 100 years ago?  How much has the earth's ability to process CO2 changed in the last 100 years?

7. In October 1997, Gore told television weathermen gathered at the White House that global warming could be eliminated if the over-population of Third World nations could be controlled. This is a kind of Final Solution approach. The entire population of the world could live in Texas. Populations in industrialized, prosperous nations have steadily decreased.

Seeing an obvious problem is a final solution approach?  Is he going to be called a nazi next?  It's great to know that the whole population of the earth could reside in Texas.  That would make a population density of 22816 people per square mile, just shy of New York City.  A giant metropolis the size of Texas, yeah that'd be great and totally doable.  BTW, how many square feet does your house and yard take up?


Oh well, I can't get through them all.  This is just pure political propaganda.  I'm not a Gore supporter and plan to vote against him, but it won't be because of political propaganda.  I hate the fact that there's a push to make people vote.  Don't vote just to vote, make an informed decision.  I'd much rather people didn't vote than make uninformed choices.  Then it just comes down to a bunch of sheep led by the bigger propaganda machine.



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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2000, 12:44:00 AM »
 One reason to vote for Al Gore-to keep the hypocrite criminal Bush out of office,I doubt Bush could pour piss out of a boot-even with instructions printed on the heel.The guy is a loser!

 Vote for Homer Simpson-he makes as much sense as Bush does.

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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2000, 12:53:00 AM »
I can't believe it is even a close race and if Gore does not win, then the US and the world as a whole is in a lot of trouble.

But hey, why worry?  Sylvia Browne (the psychic) said Gore will win the election.  

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