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« on: March 03, 2006, 09:08:26 AM »
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1981 attack on Pope planned by Soviets: Report

Agence France-Presse

Rome, March 30, 2005|05:01 IST
 
New documents found in the files of the former East German intelligence services confirm the 1981 assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II was ordered by the Soviet KGB and assigned to Bulgarian agents, an Italian daily said on Wednesday.

The Corriere della Sera said that the documents found by the German government indicated that the KGB ordered Bulgarian colleagues to carry out the killing, leaving the East German service known as the Stasi to coordinate the operation and cover up the traces afterwards.

Bulgaria then handed the execution of the plot to Turkish extremists, including Mehmet Ali Agca, who pulled the trigger.

The daily said the documents had been handed over to Bulgaria and would be made available to the Italian parliamentary commission inquiring into the activities of formerly Communist eastern European regimes in Italy.

The newspaper said the documents consist mostly of letters from Stasi operatives to their Bulgarian counterparts seeking help in covering up traces after the attack and denying Bulgarian involvement.

Ali Agca, who is now in jail in Turkey, claimed after his arrest that the operation was under the control of the Bulgarian embassy in Rome. The Bulgarians have always insisted they were innocent and argued that Agca's story was part of an anti-communist plot by the Italian secret service and the CIA.

The paper said the documents back up the pope's own memories of the assassination attempt in May 1981 in his book "Memory and Identity: Conversations Between Millenniums," in which he said he was convinced that the attack was not planned or directed by Ali Agca.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1300033,00050003.htm


Another press account of it, with Italy panel backing up allegations:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/02/D8G3J3J00.html

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2006, 09:28:23 AM »
Pope was just a minor accident, everyone knows that Evil Communists crucified Christ.

Please tell me any good reason for Soviet leadership to assasinate Pope.

BTW, Soviet press back in the 80s blamed Turkish/Moslim extremists and wished Pope to get well.

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2006, 09:33:45 AM »
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Originally posted by Boroda
Pope was just a minor accident, everyone knows that Evil Communists crucified Christ.

Please tell me any good reason for Soviet leadership to assasinate Pope.

BTW, Soviet press back in the 80s blamed Turkish/Moslim extremists and wished Pope to get well.


Bulgaria then handed the execution of the plot to Turkish extremists, including Mehmet Ali Agca, who pulled the trigger.

The commission held that the pope was a danger to the Soviet bloc because of his support for the Solidarity labor movement in his native Poland. Solidarity was the first free trade union in communist eastern Europe.


Read the story, Boroda. :huh

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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2006, 09:36:04 AM »
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Originally posted by Boroda
Pope was just a minor accident, everyone knows that Evil Communists crucified Christ.

Please tell me any good reason for Soviet leadership to assasinate Pope.

BTW, Soviet press back in the 80s blamed Turkish/Moslim extremists and wished Pope to get well.


Just the opposite, it seems that evil russian empire has been crucified by Christ thru Pope Woitila and his Poland ....

Btw, nothing will be done since Russia is now a so called allied. Same thing happened, and whats worst, is still happening for many nazi war criminals. We know where they are, many of them in germany, but judges are being stopped by politicians. Ah, we should hire Mossad/Tsahal for a while.
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2006, 09:39:51 AM »
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Btw, nothing will be done since Russia is now a so called allied. Same thing happened, and whats worst, is still happening for many nazi war criminals. We know where they are, many of them in germany, but judges are being stopped by politicians. Ah, we should hire Tsahal for a while.


Good point Gatt.

I just thought the story was interesting, and it could possibly verify yet again what Reagan said about the soviets being "The Evil Empire".

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2006, 09:49:58 AM »
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Just the opposite, it seems that evil russian empire has been crucified by Christ thru Pope Woitila and his Poland ....


Catholic Church is partially responsible for crisis in Poland in early-80s, but USSR didn't interfere there.

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Btw, nothing will be done since Russia is now a so called allied. Same thing happened, and whats worst, is still happening for many nazi war criminals. We know where they are, many of them in germany, but judges are being stopped by politicians. Ah, we should hire Mossad/Tsahal for a while.


Last month British justice again tried to start a case against Ukrainian SS division (Galichina) criminals who live in UK, but - they are now Proud Fighters Against Communism and new idols of so-called Ukrainian "democracy", so they are immune to justice.

Do you live in Israel? A story: we have a very popular national newspaper, wnd on June, 22nd, it published an article by their Jewish journalist, who said that USSR had to surrender to Hitler, just to get rid of Evil Soviet Regime (tm). I wonder what Israely authorities could say on that interesting democratic and progressive point of view.

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2006, 10:03:10 AM »
godless commies.

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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2006, 10:10:07 AM »
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Catholic Church is partially responsible for crisis in Poland in early-80s, but USSR didn't interfere there.


Had it happened some years before it could have ended with a bloodbath. The weak Russia was not able to do anything with the all western countries and the Pope strongly supporting Solidarnosch (sp?).

 
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Do you live in Israel? A story: we have a very popular national newspaper, wnd on June, 22nd, it published an article by their Jewish journalist, who said that USSR had to surrender to Hitler, just to get rid of Evil Soviet Regime (tm). I wonder what Israely authorities could say on that interesting democratic and progressive point of view.


No, Im italian but we still have 10-20.000 civilians shot in the back/head, killed by (living) german officers, still waiting for justice.
About you last sentence: the vatican, during 1943, helped german troops since they didnt know what was worst: the german or the evil communists pushing on the eastern borders of italy. Niccolò Macchiavelli (Florence 1469-1527) was indeed right about his "ragion di stato" (i.e.: political realism) ...
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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2006, 10:28:52 AM »
boroda can't read those communists are too busy swimming in vodka to learn to read.

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2006, 10:40:27 AM »
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godless commies.

lazs


They were so godless that they had no pr0n industry or gamboling joints….unlike some other western ‘socialist’ nation.

(btw On 4th I'm going shooting at Dixon.....should be around there at ~1100)

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2006, 10:52:53 AM »
"Kill a Commie for your Mommie"

--------  George Carlin
The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

...at home, or abroad.

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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2006, 02:17:45 PM »
russian... I am sure you know that as soon as they got here or.... after the fall of communism.... the russians took to vice like ducks to water.

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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2006, 02:23:45 PM »
Laz.. it's how the system has always worked in Russia... bribes and kickbacks, payoffs; all part of the business of government and social order in the former soviet union. For them, it's not even noteworthy.. it's just how it 'is'. There, yah just hand a cop your papers and a bribe even for a routine traffic stop. Here, that's a trip to jail.. there, it's how you stay outta jail.

Our system has gotta be exceedingly strange to them.. a whole different set of 'rules'. Culture shock, to say the least.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2006, 02:29:22 PM »
well.... they do seem to be extremely fast learners on the whole crime thing.

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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2006, 02:36:39 PM »
They don't have the same social conditioning to 'right & wrong' we grew up with.. they truly think some of our concepts of 'fair' are outright hilarious.
The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

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