Author Topic: P40s an A6M (Read 709 times)

GlacierGirl · « **on:** March 10, 2006, 10:10:01 AM »

when is AvA gonna have a Flying Tigers arena. I heard the other day in the MA the only planes you could have were P40s and A6Ms. i cryed when i found out i missed it.

Slash27 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2006, 10:53:05 AM »

We have not run a PTO plane set in the new AvA as of yet. Most likely we can work in the Burma map and some A.V.G. P-40s. Its CBI and PTO but it will be fine:aok

Krusty · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2006, 12:12:44 PM »

The problem is we only have 1 eary japanese plane, the A6m2, and only have 2 mid-era Japanese planes, the A6m5 and the Ki61. We also only have 2 late-era Japanese planes, the N1k2 and the Ki84.

That's a pretty sad and pathetic lineup to match against half a dozen different spitfires, p40B and E, 4 different F4us, 2 F4F types, an F6F, P38s, P51s, heavy bombers, etc etc etc.

The Japanese planeset if very limited in this game, which makes such setups hard to pull off.

Slash27 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2006, 02:20:48 PM »

It wont be immpossible to pull off. Early and late war wont be a big issue, in between will be a pain. Even at that my opinion is not to enable the whole Allied plane set against the Japanese. Even though a properly flown Ki-84 eats the Allied rides alive:D

HoHun · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2006, 04:27:14 PM »

Hi Krusty,

>The problem is we only have 1 eary japanese plane, the A6m2, and only have 2 mid-era Japanese planes, the A6m5 and the Ki61. We also only have 2 late-era Japanese planes, the N1k2 and the Ki84.

>That's a pretty sad and pathetic lineup to match against [long list deleted :-)]

A few years back and in another game, we matched a similar small selection of Japanese types against USAAF aircraft exclusively for one round, then against US Navy aircraft for another round.

It still was tough for the Japanese, but everyone felt they had a good chance anyway, and in the end they did better than expected :-) It was quite interesting to see how relatively few, but historically matched types fought each other - great historical feel! :-)

Maybe this recipe would work for AvA, too?

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Oldman731 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2006, 04:37:42 PM »

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Originally posted by HoHun
A few years back and in another game, we matched a similar small selection of Japanese types against USAAF aircraft exclusively for one round, then against US Navy aircraft for another round.

It still was tough for the Japanese, but everyone felt they had a good chance anyway, and in the end they did better than expected :-) It was quite interesting to see how relatively few, but historically matched types fought each other - great historical feel! :-)

Maybe this recipe would work for AvA, too?

It's a good recipe, and it does work. While the Japanese planes are few, all of them are very capable. As Slash pointed out, early war and late war setups are no problem, because the Japanese planes are at least a match for what the Allies can put up (in fact, being a Wildcat pilot in early war can be a true challenge). In the mid-war I think the Tony and A6M5 will do fine against the Allied rides. Just before the first RPS we had run a few PAC setups, and the Zekes had no serious problems. The Tony takes a bit more practice, but it's a very fine ride once you figure it out.

- oldman

TheBug · « **Reply #6 on:** March 10, 2006, 07:46:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
The problem is we only have 1 eary japanese plane, the A6m2, and only have 2 mid-era Japanese planes, the A6m5 and the Ki61. We also only have 2 late-era Japanese planes, the N1k2 and the Ki84.

That's a pretty sad and pathetic lineup to match against half a dozen different spitfires, p40B and E, 4 different F4us, 2 F4F types, an F6F, P38s, P51s, heavy bombers, etc etc etc.

The Japanese planeset if very limited in this game, which makes such setups hard to pull off.

It's only in the beginning stage, and only for fun. But if ever the day came that my wish from the wishlist for a Player Development Corps comes true, I hope to be ready.......

Shifty · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2006, 09:23:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
The problem is we only have 1 eary japanese plane, the A6m2, and only have 2 mid-era Japanese planes, the A6m5 and the Ki61. We also only have 2 late-era Japanese planes, the N1k2 and the Ki84.

That's a pretty sad and pathetic lineup to match against half a dozen different spitfires, p40B and E, 4 different F4us, 2 F4F types, an F6F, P38s, P51s, heavy bombers, etc etc etc.

The Japanese planeset if very limited in this game, which makes such setups hard to pull off.

Yeah give em the Ki-43 with the two pop guns in the nose. That will make a big difference in the early war setup. It burns better than the zeke.

I have yet to see one Spitfire model, much less half a dozen in a PTO setup. You never see more than one F4U type in a PTO, the two F4Fs are from different eras, one early, and one late. The P-51 is very rare in PTO setups, and like the Corsair you never see more than one model of the P-38 in a PTO. In fact it's rare to see a P-38,P-47, or P-51 in ETO setups anymore.
I wouldn't worry too much though about a PTO . There seems to be a problem having any setup that doesn't include the majority of Luftwaffe lineup. I guess their afraid Storch will throw a hissy fit, and not fly. Etheir that or he is actually the evil power behind the AvA staff . Who rules in the shadows, while wailing non-stop about the prejudice against the axis in AH.

TheBug · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2006, 09:27:01 PM »

Take your medicine Shifty, it will make you feel better.

Slash27 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2006, 11:33:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Shifty
Yeah give em the Ki-43 with the two pop guns in the nose. That will make a big difference in the early war setup. It burns better than the zeke. I have yet to see one Spitfire model, much less half a dozen in a PTO setup. You never see more than one F4U type in a PTO, the two F4Fs are from different eras, one early, and one late. The P-51 is very rare in PTO setups, and like the Corsair you never see more than one model of the P-38 in a PTO. In fact it's rare to see a P-38,P-47, or P-51 in ETO setups anymore.
I wouldn't worry too much though about a PTO . There seems to be a problem having any setup that doesn't include the majority of Luftwaffe lineup. I guess their afraid Storch will throw a hissy fit, and not fly. Etheir that or he is actually the evil power behind the AvA staff . Who rules in the shadows, while wailing non-stop about the prejudice against the axis in AH.

You have missed several F4u/F6F vs Ki84/N1K sets with a '38L to boot. We also ran a Spit/Hurri vs Ki-84/A6m5/Ki-61. Great fights with the Ki-84 being the Alpha dog in both set ups.

Shifty · « **Reply #10 on:** March 11, 2006, 11:02:09 AM »

Your right I did miss the spit, hurri setup................ However there is still never a setup where you have multiple versions of the F4U or P-38, or Spits in a PTO setup. The A6M5, and Ki-61 matches well with any midwar setup. The N1K2, and KI-84 can hold their own in a late war setup. If you want to fly a Ki-43 in an early war setup, Empty the cannons on your A6M2 on the runway and fly with the popguns.

There is still room to use the Bf-110 as a Ki-45. Plus you could use the 190A4 as a J2M.
JMTC:)

Oldman731 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 11, 2006, 12:11:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Shifty
However there is still never a setup where you have multiple versions of the F4U or P-38, or Spits in a PTO setup.

No, we had at least one with the F4U-1C was enabled, together with the F4U-1D (I remember, because that's the one where I learned to fly the Corsair competently). I'm pretty sure we've also had the 38J and L enabled simultaneously, but it seems to me there's little to choose between the two.

- oldman

storch · « **Reply #12 on:** March 11, 2006, 12:37:47 PM »

I agree with shifty if they would allow the 110C as a sub for the Ki45 it would round out the Japanese side a bit. I'm not sure about the FW 190 though. In further agreement we should run a PTO set up allowing for the fully represented allied inventory from 1941-1945. The guys who like the F4U are the most short changed players in AH AvA. having said that shifty is also correct in stating that if you do run this set up the arena may be empty, PTO setups just aren't popular. the popularity may be increased if during the 1944-45 phase we subbed for the Mitsubishi J8M1 Shusui and the Nakajima Kikka and allow them to play without prejudice.

Grits · « **Reply #13 on:** March 11, 2006, 01:32:09 PM »

IMO the 110c should ALWAYS be allowed in a time period when the Ki45 was in service. The 190A-5 could be sub'd for several IJN/IJA planes, its a stretch, but not as much of a stretch as the FM-2/Brewster sub.

Krusty · « **Reply #14 on:** March 11, 2006, 05:44:28 PM »

I'm doubtful as to the 190a5's sub capabilities.. It's a very powerful aircraft in AH. Most Japanese aircraft focused on manuverability at the expense of speed, and the 190a5 is almost the opposite, hardly manuverable at all.

I think it's a poor fit, but then again, so is the Brewster/FM2 lol

Author Topic: P40s an A6M (Read 709 times)

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