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« Reply #105 on: March 24, 2006, 05:25:16 PM »
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Yes, it is America's fault, but not ALL America's fault. Only 25%, if the US Department of Energy is to be believed. :D


You aren't talking about the Mars ice caps are you?
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« Reply #106 on: March 24, 2006, 05:31:59 PM »
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You aren't talking about the Mars ice caps are you?
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« Reply #107 on: March 24, 2006, 05:34:03 PM »
So are you saying that the melting of polar caps on Mars is not America's fault, or are you ignoring the phenomenon altoghther?
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« Reply #108 on: March 24, 2006, 05:36:11 PM »
I'm ignoring the phenomenon altoghther.

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« Reply #109 on: March 24, 2006, 05:40:48 PM »
Quite right.  Afterall it is Mars.  Just because it is a planetary body does not mean it could have anything to do with Earth.  I mean, cyclic weather changes at one planet does not mean there will be changes elsewhere.  What can you expect from a planet which does not rotate in the same plane as Earth?

What happens to Mars should stay at Mars.  Earth is a whole different planet and we have the theories to prove it! :)

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« Reply #110 on: March 24, 2006, 05:42:18 PM »
Yes, there are no humans porking up Mars with carbon emissions, or driving gas guzzlers that get 5-6mpg. :aok

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« Reply #111 on: March 24, 2006, 05:43:46 PM »
And yet it still goes through cyclic changes.  Dang those Martian weather patterns!!!
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« Reply #112 on: March 24, 2006, 05:47:13 PM »
And are the polar icecaps in meltdown mode? Hmmm?

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« Reply #113 on: March 24, 2006, 05:48:25 PM »
Mars?  Yes, they are.
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« Reply #114 on: March 24, 2006, 05:49:11 PM »
Well, Mars IS closer to the sun... wait - no it isn't

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« Reply #115 on: March 24, 2006, 05:51:02 PM »
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Originally posted by beet1e I'm ignoring the phenomenon altogether.


Earlier in the thread, denial was bad

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Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance. Sounds like the first, with a hint of the second. As I have said on this board before, when scientists can do "miracles" like predicting solar eclipses years in advance - what with all the 3 dimensional trigonometry that must involve -  that tells me that they know what they're talking about. The overwhelming theme from scientists around the world is that global warming is being exacerbated or even caused directly by greenhouse gases. That BBC link shows that even the US government now accepts that global warming is being caused by US. Of course I could do as you have done here, and refute these scientific findings, but I think that would be unwise.


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« Reply #116 on: March 24, 2006, 05:56:28 PM »
Yes, I'm ignoring it - because there's nothing I can do about it. Even on earth, my personal contribution to global warming is only 0.000000007% of the world total.

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« Reply #117 on: March 24, 2006, 06:01:55 PM »
Since your personal contribution to global warming is only 0.000000007% of the world total, to be consistant you should ignore our global warming as well.
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« Reply #118 on: March 24, 2006, 06:03:24 PM »
No, because it's 25% of the world total, as compared with 2% for the UK.

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« Reply #119 on: March 24, 2006, 06:15:52 PM »
Theory. Let`s all pick a theory and jump on it.
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Arguments Against The Global Warming Theory:

Humans Are Not Responsible For Rising Temperatures; Other Theories on Why the Earth's Temperature is Rising:

      Many scientists have suggested that other factors are responsible for rising temperatures, such as natural changes in the number and size of volcanic eruptions or an increase in the sun's output. Such phenomena are referred to as climate forcings. This would mean that humans are not responsible for the increase in temperature over the last 140 years.

      Although the media says that the last ten years were the hottest, the most significant rise temperatures reflect a took place in the first half of this century.

      Also paleoclimate perspective provides information about long term changes in different climate forcings that may be the underlying cause of the observed climate change.

Inconclusive / Incorrect Data; There is No Evidence of Global Warming Actually Happening:

      According to The Leipzig Declaration, "There does not exist today a general scientific consensus about the importance of greenhouse warming from rising levels of carbon dioxide. In fact, many climate specialists now agree that actual observations from weather satellites show no global warming whatsoever--in direct contradiction to computer model results." It adds, "based on all the evidence available to us, we cannot subscribe to the politically inspired world view that envisages climate catastrophes and calls for hasty actions. For this reason, we consider the drastic emission control policies likely to be endorsed by the Kyoto conference--lacking credible support from the underlying science--to be ill-advised and premature". 1 This would mean that there is a possibility that global warming could happen, but right now there is no real evidence already happening.
 
      Satellite data also undermines the theory of global warming. Most of the data suggesting that there is global warming was collected over the last 140 years from recorded temperatures. Now satellites are used to record temperatures. Satellites, which measure temperatures all over the world, they show no real trend in any direction, in fact in recent decades, they show a global cooling.  

    Another argument that this side presents is the inconsistency of the other side's claims. One negative prediction of
those that are concerned about global warming is the increase in severe storms and hurricanes. Those that minimize
the threat of global warming suggest that severe storms and hurricanes have actually decreased in the past 50 years.

      Patrick J. Michaels, a professor of environmental science, says that, "carbon dioxide is increasing in the atmosphere at a rate below that of most climate-change scenarios because it is being increasingly captured by growing vegetation." 2  This is inconsistent with the global warming theory, which suggests that there should be a strong relationship between carbon dioxide, released by humans, and rising temperature.

      The fact that there is inconclusive evidence to prove the global warming theory is another argument critics of the
theory put forth. Another expert on environmental science, Richard Lindzen says, "We don't have any evidence that
this [ global warming ] is a serious problem ,..." 3

The Increase in Temperature is not necessarily a Bad Thing:

      Some of the critics of the global warming theory also suggest that even if the earth is warming it is not a cause for
alarm. Historical evidence supports the idea that warmer climate intervals are beneficial for human activities, food
production, and health. Cold periods have had the opposite effect.
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