Global Warming... is THIS how we'll perish?

[lazs2]

Yep skuzzy...  know what a scratch is... I was listening to a radio talk show host and someone called in and said that citizenship was like an "E" ticket.

He had a pretty good point with what he was saying but the host hung up on him and got all shook up about "what the hell is an "E" ticket anyway?"

She asked everyone in the radio control room and none of the 30 somethings had any idea what an "E" ticket was except that it might be an electronic ticket for airlines..

For those who don't know.... Long ago, before you could buy all day pass to an amusement park (and LP's were around)....  You bought a book of tickets at Disneyland (there was only one Disneyland)..

In the book were a, b, c, d, and "E" tickets...  everything but the "E" tickets let you on the cheezy rides but the "E".... that got you on the big atractions..   If someone went to Disneyland and came back with what was left of his ticket book (they were good forever it seemed) and there was an "E" ticket or 3 left..... well.. that was a prize.

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e

So Charlotte, now you're saying you knew all about the Thames Barrier before I mentioned it, or am I assuming too much - again?
 

Well Marie............I didn`t know ALL about it. Still don`t and neither do you.
I realize Beet, that you consider yourself on a different plane than us mere mortals. I know this may come to a big shock to ya and I hate to be the one to break it to you, but you are not quite as superior to the rest of us as you believe. I would suggest that maybe you could hold a sale for the white robes and come down from the mountain. The bush ain`t gonna burn for you.

Now, on the other hand, speaking of things I don`t know about. Educate me on the Hackney Marsh and the rejuvenation project. Complete or not? How`s it looking? Did you participate in any way? How much CO2 was released during this project and was it due to any evil U.S. forces?

[Angus]

This is way to good to stop now!
Someone said this:
"What Angus charts show is that over the last 140 years the average temperature has risen by .9 degrees celsius.

Jackal's chart shows that the average temperature rose by .5 degree celsius during the twenty year period from 1978 to 1998...then there was an abrupt drop of almost .3 degree celius from 1998 to 1999.

What does it all MEAN!!?? I'm so CONFUSED!!"

Actually the drop relates to a volcanic eruption. I can dig up which one it was if you like.

And Jackal:
"Rut Roh! Missed this one . Sorry.
Vast planting is not going to happen on a scale of which would have even a microscopic difference. Even , in such a fairy tale scenario , if it were done, it would set us back a few hundred years in the process from a CO2 output standpoint. Point A, yaknow"

I agree it's not going to happen in the closest future, although some nations are trying. Why? There are too many administrative people who share most of YOUR opinions.
Point A: It ain't happening.
Point B: There is nothing we CAN do.
Point C: There is nothing we WILL do.

(And Point D: Let's terraform Mars by using greenhouse effects to help increasing the temperature.)

[beet1e]

Well Charlotte, Hackney is one of the roughest areas in London, and I have never had cause to go there. Remember, I don't live in London anyway, so why some people on this board would tag me as a "city slicker" I do not know!

No, I did not participate in the marsh rejuvenation, or any other activity in Hackney. I might get my hands dirty!

As for WHY I don't visit Hackney, well, it's partly because... "we have everything we need right here!"

However, I do live close to the River Thames, though mercifully upstream of Hackney.

Here's a couple of pics taken in my environs - B@tfink lives near here too...




Ah yes, this next one is for when taking a break from one's thirst for learning, as restaurant time does not count! My table is the second from right under the blue awning just above the river surface. I will gladly entertain you (or anyone else who comes over) to a luncheon here, if you promise not to eat with your fingers. We'll need to pre-book because of all the American tourists.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by beet1e
Hackney is one of the roughest areas in London, and I have never had cause to go there.  

Oh I see. Well I just figured with your unquenchable thirst for knowledge that by now you surely would stand with expert status on anything having to do with England. It wasd also my understanding that you didn`t need a "cause" or a reason to go anywhere.
I`m also a little confused on what you mean by "

roughest areas in London

". Crime or what is meant by this. You afraid to go there or what?
Are you planning to go to the olympics by any chance?
It was my understanding that the marshes were open areas and recreational places. I don`t know. Just going by what I read. I also understood that facilities for the olympics would be in the marhses areas.

Maybe you can clear a few things up for me concerning this......................... .....
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   "The immediate impact is that Arena Field will soon be lost to Olympics precinct- a high fence and road for heavy vehicles moving contaminated soil will run close to Lee Navigation. Businesses, bus garages, travellers site and Church along Waterden Road will be moved as area is turned into a massive building site. Open land and allotments on east bank of River Lea will be turned into sports venues. White Hart Field (open space between A12 and Ruckholt Road) and a large chunk of East Marsh (both Common Land and Metropolitan Open Space) and trees along Ruckholt Road will soon be lost under a huge land bridge. In spite of questions asked through GLA member, London 2012 have given no information about what land will be provided as exchange land for the loss of this Common Land. Walk on September 4th walk will go round these areas soon to be lost as public open space."
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What`s the soil contaminated with?
I`m also wondering if anyone is protesting this undertaking?
A lot of CO2 is gonna be released appears to me.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus

Jackal's chart shows that the average temperature rose by .5 degree celsius during the twenty year period from 1978 to 1998...then there was an abrupt drop of almost .3 degree celius from 1998 to 1999.

What does it all MEAN!!?? I'm so CONFUSED!!"

Actually the drop relates to a volcanic eruption. I can dig up which one it was if you like.

Hmmmmmm.........volcanic eruptions and other forces of nature having an effect on global temperatures and weather patterns. Sort of like it`s been doing since the beginning of recorded history, huh?

I agree it's not going to happen in the closest future, although some nations are trying. Why? There are too many administrative people who share most of YOUR opinions.

Point A: It ain't happening.

Point B: There is nothing we CAN do.

Point C: There is nothing we WILL do.

Yes, there are still quite a few folks left that live in reality.
One by one.
(Point A) Nothing to prove otherwise.

(Point B) I would add there is nothing we CAN do without setting back the intended effect by a few hundred years, thus defeating the purpose.

(Point C)  Nothing we WILL do collectivly. You can read that as worldwide.

[beet1e]

Well Jack - I'm flattered that you would ask my personal opinion about Hackney and its environs, but as I said, I've never had cause to go there. Yes it's rough with regard to crime, but hey - you can find out all you want if you visit the London Borough of Hackney website: http://www.hackney.gov.uk/

I'm not planning to attend any Olympic Games event.

I had a look at some maps and it turns out I used to work within about 2 miles of Hackney, near the old Spittalfields Market. The new Spittalfields Market is at Hackney Marsh. So yes, I was in that general area without realising it.

That's all I've time for now - I have a visitor.

[lazs2]

beet.... you do realize that the true doom and gloom environmentalist feels (demands) that we abandon the concept of private property and all live in hiv... er, "cities" packed in to conserve energy and resources?

lazs

[beet1e]

Oh yeah? Can I solve that by driving a 12mpg gas guzzler?

[Jackal1]

Hmmmmmmmmm..............so England decided to put the olympics in the "roughest" part of London. I beleive that`s what you said. High crime rate, etc.
The Hackney Marhses , which I understand to be one of the largest open/recreation areas is high in crime and "rough" I guess. (Whatever that means).....................and this is where their putting the olympics facilities. Hmmmmmm.............interesti ng.
So, you don`t have any idea what the soil is contaminated with I asked about?
I find it strange that you are an INSTAspert on Texas, the U.S., Qatar... heck all the way through S.E. Asia......................... ...but know almost nothing on things so close to you in Merry Old England. Don`t much set well with your "Been there"policy.

Oh well. If the Hackney Marshes are so "rough" and the crime level is so high there, maybe the games should just be canceled . Save all the hub bub and wouldn`t release all that pesky CO2 into the atmosphere. The folks in England being so ever concerned about this issue and all.......................... ...............


But wheeew, I really like the name Hackney Marshes. Has a nice ring to it.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by beet1e
Oh yeah? Can I solve that by driving a 12mpg gas guzzler?

You planning on buying a Land Rover Discovery? (12C/16H)

You can acheive 11/18 with a A/M DB9... but that is only for rich people.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Jackal1
Hmmmmmmmmm..............so England decided to put the olympics in the "roughest" part of London. I beleive that`s what you said. High crime rate, etc.

You been to the LA Coliseum?

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
You can acheive 11/18 with a A/M DB9... but that is only for rich people.

HMcG - see that first pic I posted today. That town is Marlow and I was there today, where I saw not one but two DB9s! Beautiful cars, pity about the gas mileage.

Charlotte. I don't know why you're asking me all these questions about Hackney Marsh. You have heard of Google, haven't you? It's a search engine, and is very easy to use, hence it is well suited to your needs. I've already given you the London Borough of Hackney website. There's plenty of info on Hackney in there. As for the environmental considerations of Hackney Marsh, and the plans to use that site for the Olympics, go here: http://www.clubplan.org/CMS/page.asp?org=2673&id=385

Land remediation- moving and cleaning up polluted soil. 1,850,000 cubic metres of soil will be processed. 1,330,000 cubic metres of this soil is polluted with cadium, chromium, mercury, nickel, selenium, lead and naphthalene and requires cleaning up by washing, sorting or bioremediation.

And now, if you would click here, you'll get a nice big map of London, with an arrow near the middle pointing at Hackney Marsh area. I would imagine it's been chosen for the site because of being close to central London and therefore not far to travel for those staying at central London hotels.

Don't be afraid to use http://www.google.co.uk - I'm sure your.... "dial-up" connection can handle it! LOL - and you won't have to wait quite so long as waiting for a reply from me!

[Angus]

Oh, goodness, where is this heaing. To the crime rate and pollution of The Hackney Marhses....?
I doubt that The Hackney Marhses match the US in the rate of capital crime, but maybe that's just me...
Oh, I saw an accusation of me showing selective data about the globe warming. Well, belive what you want, but there is no selectiveness when I look at the nearest glacier(s) out of my kitchen window. They're shrinking allright, and to top it, we haven't had a properly nasty winter for 15 years.
So, since I live in Iceland, I should actually embrace a little warming. And I live 120 feet above sea level too! And why worry about Amreegans and such, they can just roast and flood and get twisted, while I can start growing wheat!

[Debonair]

I live near a glacier.
I fly over it all the time.
It gets bigger & bigger.  
Been doing this a long time, too.
Was nearly nothing 25 years ago, they say.
I've only been seeing it for 5 years.