RIP Paul Dana

[Holden McGroin]

The big money does not come from the teams. The money comes from the sponsors.

Argent Mortgage Company, Ethanol, and Honda are the primary sponsors of R-L Racing.

Secondary sponsors are BEA Systems Inc, Bobby Rahal Automotive Group, Broin Companies, Coca-Cola Company, studmuffinen, Inc, Gehl Company, Icm, Inc, Logicalis, Meijer, Ross Motorsports, Secret, The Timken Company, and Worldwide Pants.

Ethanol, Inc was the sponsor that was brought to the team by Dana.  

Ethanol, Inc. told Rahal - Letterman that they would sponsor a car if Dana drove.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by rpm
It's sad that he died, but he died doing what he loved. We should all be so lucky.

exactly

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin


Ethanol, Inc was the sponsor that was brought to the team by Dana.  

Ethanol, Inc. told Rahal - Letterman that they would sponsor a car if Dana drove.

Thx for making my point.
And believe if you will that Letterman dont put any money in LOL
ever here of tax right offs.

the fact is that like most of the drivers and car owners said the young man was not ready for the IRL cars yet.
But because he had a big money sponser the team gave in and put him in a car
money talks.

[SirLoin]

Bad investment for letterman.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
Thx for making my point.
And believe if you will that Letterman dont put any money in LOL
ever here of tax right offs.

the fact is that like most of the drivers and car owners said the young man was not ready for the IRL cars yet.
But because he had a big money sponser the team gave in and put him in a car
money talks.

Your point was that Letterman was the money man (at least that is what you said) where Ethanol had the money and therefore the power to put their man in the driver's seat.  

If Letterman was the dominant influence he could have said, "No thanks, I have enough money to do what I want to do regardless of sponsor pressure."  He didn't do that because the team needed the sponsorship in order to field three cars.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
Thx for making my point.
And believe if you will that Letterman dont put any money in LOL
ever here of tax right offs.

the fact is that like most of the drivers and car owners said the young man was not ready for the IRL cars yet.
But because he had a big money sponser the team gave in and put him in a car
money talks.

It's a good thing you "know alot about this".  Sad thing is, only in YOUR WORLD are you even aware.

Please, go pull a gun on people that cut you off on your 10 speed.

Karaya

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
It's a good thing you "know alot about this".  Sad thing is, only in YOUR WORLD are you even aware.

Please, go pull a gun on people that cut you off on your 10 speed.

Karaya

Oh STFU you incredibly ignoarant twit.

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Your point was that Letterman was the money man (at least that is what you said) where Ethanol had the money and therefore the power to put their man in the driver's seat.  

If Letterman was the dominant influence he could have said, "No thanks, I have enough money to do what I want to do regardless of sponsor pressure."  He didn't do that because the team needed the sponsorship in order to field three cars.

Letterman went to Bobby Rahal when he wanted to get into the racing buisness
so yea I would say he is the head honcho even if he appears to be in the shadows.

And my point was that it was money that got the guy a seat in a car he was perhaps not ready for.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
Oh STFU you incredibly ignoarant twit.

Letterman cannot come CLOSE to what the sponsors are shelling out.  You should really stop posting.  You lost, and having been losing those footholds in this thread.   But keep waving that thing around while tooling around town.

But, you'll chime back, with another predictable response.  

Sweet oxymoron in your last post though.  Classy, nothing but the best!

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by fartwinkle
And my point was that it was money that got the guy a seat in a car he was perhaps not ready for.

INDYCAR SERIES HIGHLIGHTS

First start: March 6, 2005 (Homestead-Miami Speedway)

2005

Competed in three races for Ethanol Hemelgarn Racing with a best finish of 10th in his IndyCar Series debut at Homestead-Miami Speedway. Suffered season-ending back injury during practice for the 89th Indianapolis 500.

ROAD TO INDYCAR SERIES

2004

Finished second in Menards Infiniti Pro Series standings driving for Hemelgarn 91 Johnson Motorsports with victory at Milwaukee. Captured first Menards Infiniti Pro Series pole position in season-opening race at Homestead-Miami Speedway.

Recorded seven top-five finishes.

2003

Finished ninth in Menards Infiniti Pro Series standings as a rookie, recording six top-10 finishes in 10 starts.

Made six starts with Kenn Hardley Racing and four starts with Brian Stewart Racing.

2001

Made national USF2000 series debut. Earned two top-five and four top-10 finishes with a best result of third at Watkins Glen.

Finished fifth in oval debut at The Night Before the 500 event at Indianapolis Raceway Park.

Made U.S. F3 series debut, finishing second at Mosport Park.

Member of Forsythe Racing Driver Development Program.

2000

Tested an Indy Lights car with Conquest Racing.

Tested a U.S. F3 series car with Euro International.

Competed in FF1600 SCCA Nationals with John Walko Racing.

1998-99

Competed in Skip Barber Formula Dodge Series. Finished in top 20 nationally and was invited to the national championship shootout.

Earned six wins, seven pole positions and 10 additional podium finishes in Southern series competition. Posted seven fastest laps.

1997

Competed in Bridgestone Racing School Championship Series. Earned one victory and two pole positions.

1996

Made racing debut in Bridgestone Racing School Mechanics Championship. Earned two victories, three podium finishes and six top-five results. Served as test driver, crew leader and part-time instructor.


So genius, when is one "deemed ready" to race in IRL, F1, Nascrap, etc?  
He had 4 or 5 accidents last year.  By your logic, Jeff Gordon is unfit as when he was rookie, he had alot of wrecks (first two years actually).  

Dana participated in the Dodge series, F3, USF2000, and Infiniti Pro Series.   He was more than prepared.  

Karaya

[Stringer]

Originally posted by rpm
It's sad that he died, but he died doing what he loved. We should all be so lucky.

To die at 30??

Are you nuts??

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
INDYCAR SERIES HIGHLIGHTS

First start: March 6, 2005 (Homestead-Miami Speedway)

2005

Competed in three races for Ethanol Hemelgarn Racing with a best finish of 10th in his IndyCar Series debut at Homestead-Miami Speedway. Suffered season-ending back injury during practice for the 89th Indianapolis 500.

ROAD TO INDYCAR SERIES

2004

Finished second in Menards Infiniti Pro Series standings driving for Hemelgarn 91 Johnson Motorsports with victory at Milwaukee. Captured first Menards Infiniti Pro Series pole position in season-opening race at Homestead-Miami Speedway.

Recorded seven top-five finishes.

2003

Finished ninth in Menards Infiniti Pro Series standings as a rookie, recording six top-10 finishes in 10 starts.

Made six starts with Kenn Hardley Racing and four starts with Brian Stewart Racing.

2001

Made national USF2000 series debut. Earned two top-five and four top-10 finishes with a best result of third at Watkins Glen.

Finished fifth in oval debut at The Night Before the 500 event at Indianapolis Raceway Park.

Made U.S. F3 series debut, finishing second at Mosport Park.

Member of Forsythe Racing Driver Development Program.

2000

Tested an Indy Lights car with Conquest Racing.

Tested a U.S. F3 series car with Euro International.

Competed in FF1600 SCCA Nationals with John Walko Racing.

1998-99

Competed in Skip Barber Formula Dodge Series. Finished in top 20 nationally and was invited to the national championship shootout.

Earned six wins, seven pole positions and 10 additional podium finishes in Southern series competition. Posted seven fastest laps.

1997

Competed in Bridgestone Racing School Championship Series. Earned one victory and two pole positions.

1996

Made racing debut in Bridgestone Racing School Mechanics Championship. Earned two victories, three podium finishes and six top-five results. Served as test driver, crew leader and part-time instructor.


So genius, when is one "deemed ready" to race in IRL, F1, Nascrap, etc?  
He had 4 or 5 accidents last year.  By your logic, Jeff Gordon is unfit as when he was rookie, he had alot of wrecks (first two years actually).  

Dana participated in the Dodge series, F3, USF2000, and Infiniti Pro Series.   He was more than prepared.  

Karaya

Look  I was just going by what the people in the IRL where saying.
And the fact that he had all those accidents does not speak well for him jumping into an indy car now does it.

So from the above time line I see that he died in his 4th IRL race not trying to stomp on the dudes grave i am simply repeating what was said by several IRL team owners and drivers after the race.


 He made a mistake a big one and he died and almost took another driver with him.

All from what can be said was a rookie mistake.

Some of the old timers where saying that back in the usac days that it was much harder to get into an indy car.
And that only after serveral seasons in sprint cars was anyone even looked at
to try and go for there rookie test.

And like I said earlyer I have nothing but respect for these cats cause when they screw up someone dies or is crippled they earn there pay.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Stringer
To die at 30??

Are you nuts??

It's not about the when, it's about the how.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I'll have to agree with what Darrell Waltrip said when Dale Earnhardt died. "I don't want to hear anyone say, 'At least he died doing what he loved', we shouldn't be getting killed doing what we love, and I'm tired of losing friends that way". [/I] The man is right. As a racer myself, I can honestly say that racers say that because they feel like they have to say something, and it sounds good to some people. It doesn't wash.

[fartwinkle]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I'll have to agree with what Darrell Waltrip said when Dale Earnhardt died. "I don't want to hear anyone say, 'At least he died doing what he loved', we shouldn't be getting killed doing what we love, and I'm tired of losing friends that way". [/I] The man is right. As a racer myself, I can honestly say that racers say that because they feel like they have to say something, and it sounds good to some people. It doesn't wash.

Not true!
I wanna die doing what I love most.
And that is in bed with two or three DDD cup babes lathered up in olive oil:aok