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« Reply #585 on: April 08, 2006, 08:21:08 PM »
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"Oh snap! I better change the game to appeal to a handful of people's feelings on the BBS so that the thousands of people playing will continue to play!!"
"Oh Snap!"  LOLHROTFFPAOMS

That was totally worth 12 pages of meltdown.  Good show gents!:aok

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« Reply #586 on: April 08, 2006, 08:33:43 PM »
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Why is this even being discussed? Hitech isn't going to go "Oh snap! I better change the game to appeal to a handful of people's feelings on the BBS so that the thousands of people playing will continue to play!!"


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Now that's funny!
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« Reply #587 on: April 08, 2006, 09:46:42 PM »
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In my semi retirement did I miss something about Voss?


Not really, same doo-doo rehashed a lot. Here's an EXAMPLE if you wanna wade through it (40+ pages, 2000+ posts :))

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« Reply #588 on: April 08, 2006, 10:11:41 PM »
Culero, I think we've found our group leader for Team Bait.

Now, who's gonna lead Team CoffinStuffrz?
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« Reply #589 on: April 08, 2006, 10:32:00 PM »
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... Hitech isn't going to go "Oh snap! ...


No ... he'd go "oh sanp!"

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« Reply #590 on: April 08, 2006, 11:23:33 PM »
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In my semi retirement did I miss something about Voss?


Not the Vossman we knew, Fencer.
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« Reply #591 on: April 08, 2006, 11:33:03 PM »
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Culero, I think we've found our group leader for Team Bait.

Now, who's gonna lead Team CoffinStuffrz?


Check PMs :)

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« Reply #592 on: April 10, 2006, 05:07:32 PM »
I thought it only fitting to post a denouement for this thread.

In the end the community decides what works within the limits of the game resouces.  (If you can dive-bomb Landcasters there will be some who will use them this way.)  

1) It looks like this thread has caused the Rooks to lose numbers in the MA.  That is interesting. But lets face it, Rooks have gotten fat and lazy, the lighter numbers will toughen us up.

2) Sunday's action with the LCA's was spectacular. Less than 20 pilots operating with the LCA's changed the course of the game.  The day started with Rooks having 6 bases and I when I left at 12:30 pm MDT Rooks had 54 bases.  I saw the LCA's start at A66 and push down to A137 and A138 in the few hours I was on.

3) One observation is that the LCA operation did not ruin a single furball, but concentrated on strategic captures.  

Some call this a milk-run.  To those, I need to point out that a sustained push like the LCA's accomplished included resupply and defense as well as planning several bases in advance.  Also, in Sunday's battle it was hard to find a place that wasn't watched.  

LCA successes were from teamwork, co-ordination and attack plans that worked.  

4) The continued success of LCA-like co-ordinated planning depends on leadership and passing the skills on to others.  The Warbirds community that I was familiar with was particularly good at passing on skills and leadership.  IMHO the current Aces High community and game are not optimised for these results.  One of the best contributions LCA makes to the Aces High community is it's ability to involve new pilots with the experienced to show them how it's done.  Anyone can join for a mission or two and learn or teach in the process.

5) Finally, this thread has cost me a laptop.  Dok's poster of "Z" caused me to spew Dr. Pepper all over the dang thing.  

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« Reply #593 on: April 10, 2006, 07:27:15 PM »
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LCA successes were from teamwork, co-ordination and attack plans that worked.  

 


Not to burst your little bubble, but every Sunday from 3 years ago to the present Rooks have overwhelming numbers (more overwhelming than usual) as it's squadnight for just about every major Rook squadron. Every Sunday they collectively steamroll many, many bases, largely against very little if any resistance as pissing into the wind is rather futile. They have done this for the past 3 years, long, long, long before LCA and most of its members ever existed in the game...So don't break your arms patting yourselves on the backs. ;)

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« Reply #594 on: April 10, 2006, 08:41:16 PM »
And knights still hardly have the numbers that the other countries have.
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« Reply #595 on: April 10, 2006, 10:38:59 PM »
Zazen, granted that the Rooks were not outnumbered most of Sunday.  But they were pushed into a corner with just 6 bases.

But that doesn't diminish the teamwork.  Out of 18 members in an LCA mission there will be 3 real newbies that are learning on the job. This is good stuff.  

I fail to see why you are so bitter.  The LCA missions did not disturb your furball.  They concentrated on strategic targets and they materially contributed to a great night for Rooks.  This is not a bad thing.  

Zazen, I don't see where you were at all discomforted by the LCA successes Sunday.  Why should you be bitter?

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« Reply #596 on: April 10, 2006, 10:57:09 PM »
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Zazen, I don't see where you were at all discomforted by the LCA successes Sunday.  Why should you be bitter?


I'm not bitter in the least bit. I'm just explaining to you with Rook's Sunday numbers, special Ed. students from the local home for the mentally incompetant could have blown through 15-20 fields no problemo. The fact that Rooks were down in fields just makes it easier in that they had a very high geographic concentration of force compared to the other teams as well as the overwhelming numbers. So, there were plenty of gaping holes to blast those numbers thru with even less than the usual token resistance...

You see Rooks take fields by the dozen every Sunday, long before LCA and most of its members even knew AH existed. If you guys weren't there any one of the other 10 major Rook squadrons with squadnight on Sundays would have done it. The only thing new and different is you guys experiencing the Sunday Rook milkrun-fest first-hand...

Rooks overwhelming Sunday numbers began with RJO about 3 years ago and is the reason the ENY limiter was added to the game by HTC, Rooks numbers on Sundays was too overpowering...Large base gains on Sundays by Rooks is a foregone conclusion reagrdless of the state of the map....LCA or no LCA..


I'm glad you guys had a good time. But a major accomplishment deserving of accolades from the community it was not...



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« Reply #597 on: April 11, 2006, 12:40:30 AM »
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... The only thing new and different is you guys experiencing the Sunday Rook milkrun-fest first-hand...
 


Lord I hate to get dragged back into this, but what the hell makes you think KJ is a n00b? The number of BBS posts? You keep talking down to anyone who ain't a BK like they just stepped off the boat.

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« Reply #598 on: April 11, 2006, 12:48:08 AM »
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Lord I hate to get dragged back into this, but what the hell makes you think KJ is a n00b? The number of BBS posts? You keep talking down to anyone who ain't a BK like they just stepped off the boat.


I am not addressing him specifically, I said, "You guys"...plural and non-specific. I don't know or care the exact tenure of each member of LCA. I am speaking generally...That is not really the point in any event, the point is milk-running some fields during Rook's overwhelming horde Sunday night is about as astounding and fabulous as wiping one's arse after taking a crap...

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« Reply #599 on: April 11, 2006, 12:52:06 AM »
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I am not addressing him specifically, I said, "You guys"...plural and non-specific. I don't know or care the exact tenure of each member of LCA. I am speaking generally...That is not really the point in any event, the point is milk-running some fields during Rook's overwhelming horde Sunday night is about as astounding and fabulous as wiping one's arse after taking a crap...


Actually, it was my point.

Again, you keep talking down to anyone who isn't in a "well known" squad; and you end up talking down to people who more experience and skill than you.