Why unions still suck

[Rolex]

So let me ge this straight, Urchin. Americans and (parenthetically, for some reason) Canadians,  are the only humans on the planet living above squalor and poverty?

How would you explain the correlation of a country outside North America having weak unions (actually sponsored by companies) and an average liquid (cash) savings of $109,000 per family?

"...most small business owners are stupid and greedy..."



I don't want to pry, but do you have a severe physical or mental handicap that prohibits you from leaving your room to interact with people? Is the internet your sole window to the world?

[moot]

He hasn't shed that thorny shell yet:p

[texace]

My dad belongs to a union, whichever union Lockheed Martin has all of its assemblers in at the Fort Worth plant. I asked his opinion on the whole thing.

"They've got their ups and down," he said. "They certainly ain't perfect by any means."

I've never belonged to a union so I can't really comment on the whole thing.

[moot]

The idea that someone else than a direct superior should tell me how to do my job repels me more than quitting for another job.

[LePaul]

Unions force paying more for less results.  They'll forever claim management is greedy and want what they have, despite the *fact* there are difficult skill sets involved.  Joe Blow pushing a button on an assembly line all day neednt get the same level of pay as the engineering department who designs the blasted machine Mr Blow pushes all day.

Unions thrive on envy.  Its not fair, by God, that others make more than you [edit out all the work, education and skilled training that others do...but anyways!].  Its this whole "You deserve" mantra.  Its greedy, its tiresome and its just outright stupid.

I dont see managers clawing up other managers cars if they have a differing point of view....

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by texace
My dad belongs to a union, whichever union Lockheed Martin has all of its assemblers in at the Fort Worth plant. I asked his opinion on the whole thing.

"They've got their ups and down," he said. "They certainly ain't perfect by any means."

I've never belonged to a union so I can't really comment on the whole thing.

Thats my opinion as well, Tex. Regarding unions, I've said in the past that "Sometimes you have sleep with the devil..."

Financially-speaking where I work, if you can get a better education, and land a salary job, you'll no longer be under the wage limitations that unions restrict you to.  Like I mentioned earlier, I've doubled my wage since leaving the union in 1999.

[Choocha]

SNO,


Everybody in Michigan is in a Union.  You got the, "brother hood of this and that."  



Why do you think Michigan has the highest unemployment in the United States and Leads the country in chaper 11's?

Go to a non-union state, say Texas or Florida and its seems to me that people are thriving.  


I moved from Michgan to Florida and I find it surprising how many people from Michigan are looking for work here.

[bj229r]

Prices are driven by the law of supply and demand--unions and socialism try to get around that-- a guy sweeping a floor ought to make 6.50 an hour--if he's making 30.00 and hour.. more power to him. But I don't want to hear a F$$$%n thing when he can't make the payment on his house when the plant he works at gets shut down and moved to Mexico because it's too expensive to operate. If the job you do requires little knowledge, experience and no education, chances are someone in another country will be doing it in the not too distant future. Not too many places that poor guy is gonna make that money again.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by LePaul
Unions force paying more for less results.  They'll forever claim management is greedy and want what they have, despite the *fact* there are difficult skill sets involved.  Joe Blow pushing a button on an assembly line all day neednt get the same level of pay as the engineering department who designs the blasted machine Mr Blow pushes all day.

Unions thrive on envy.  Its not fair, by God, that others make more than you [edit out all the work, education and skilled training that others do...but anyways!].  Its this whole "You deserve" mantra.  Its greedy, its tiresome and its just outright stupid.

I dont see managers clawing up other managers cars if they have a differing point of view....

You make a good point for unions.  If that engineer was in a union, he would be making a decent wage with overtime and benifits.

[mietla]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
You make a good point for unions.  If that engineer was in a union, he would be making a decent wage with overtime and benifits.

Yeah, that's an idea. Have an engineer belong to the union too.

But then what about his manager? Well, let's have him belong to the union as well. And then the CEO...

Once we all belong to the "union", we'll all make what we "deserve". Not based on what we produce, but based on what we want (there is no such thing as need).

I've alway said that communisms is an incurable and terminal disease.

[SNO]

If unions are so bad and are killing all the companies that are unionized then why is it that the CEO's and their main subordinates of these unionized companies make 6 and 7 figure salaries? Why wouldn't these corparate leaders lower their salaries to make "their" companies more competitive in the market instead of wanting all the terrible union workers to make $10 an hour and hope they can buy food after paying rent, all the while they maintain their 6 and 7 figure salaries wondering why all the unionized workers are upset? There are a share of workers union or non union that don't carry their weight, but to just blame a union for all the trouble is a little lopsided. I also realize that no matter what is said on this thread is not going to change anyones opinion on the matter as each individual is more than likely relating what has or has not happened to or around them. The prior question in this response is something that troubles me and I do know that some of the leaders have taken concessions but I think that is abnormal.

[DrDea]

I worked for Garden State tanning.The company OWNED the union.They got good wages,but they worked their tulips off for them too.6 days a week working and the union made a killing off the dues.They did squat for the employees so you can say I think unions Ive had to deal with blow goats.They look out for their own intrests more so than the overall bigger picture.Short term goals all designed to benifit them.

[Choocha]

I am an engineer,

My skills command a certain $$ on the open market.  I'm paid well and don't need a criminal extortion ring to help, thanks.

Imagine if Hitech had to join a Union.  I can see it now, "Hey Hitech, we called the commitie man on you cause your working to hard....slow down your making us look bad......Hitech were going to strike cause Larry overthere has a son that needs to get a kick back........not with us?...ok we'll kick the **** outa you.....which do you prefer, meth or crack?"




This company (HiTech Creations) , and to a large extent, the rise of the SOUTH as an economic power, is PRIMIA FACIA evidence that Union's are irrelevant.

[Toad]

US Department Of Labor

Average hourly earnings of production or nonsupervisory workers(1) on private nonfarm payrolls
by industry sector and selected industry detail

Total private...................... .....  Feb 2006    $16.52

Far more than enough to own a reasonable house, a reliable car and cloth/educate/feed 2.5 children.

Right? I mean that's TONS o' money for a family to live on.

That's $553.42 a week. Raising a famliy is a cakewalk on that, right?

[Chairboy]

With communism, this sense of entitlement can be met!  Everyone is equal!