Why unions still suck

[Choocha]

That's cause they are protecting thier Gravey Train.  If you had a 9th grade education and made 125k for cleaning toliets would you complain (remarkabley they actualy ***** and moan alot lol...) .



Meanwhile your the reason your kids will never work on an assembly line and make a decent wage.

[SirLoin]

Graduated highschool w honours,4 years college(Aircraft Maintenance Engineering),worked 5 years at DeHavilland's before my job at Ford.

[Urchin]

Just read this in the paper, I'm to busy to check the primary source but it seems plausible.  

According to the National Low Income Housing Coalition, last year was the first year on record that a full-time worker at minimum wage could not afford a one bedroom apartment anywhere in the country at market rates.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Choocha
Meanwhile your the reason your kids will never work on an assembly line and make a decent wage.

Hardly.

The reason North American kids will never work on an assembly line and make a decent wage is that there are kids in third world countries that will work for $500 a month and North American CEO's that are falling all over themselves to hire them.

That's where the competition is. If NA kids aren't competitive with $500 a month, the jobs are leaving.

[SirLoin]

Yes i agree that is happening Toad...But when the lack of a skilled workforce there results in terrible quality,those same CEO's are gonna be taking early retirement buyouts.(Talkin auto sector)

[Urchin]

 The execs couldnt care less about the company they work for.. they'll be floating down on their golden parachutes while the companies go bankrupt.  

Rich people are still rich during an economic depression, so they don't really have any incentive to care.

[Choocha]

Toad and SirLoin,


Then how can Toyota and Nissan make 20% margin hiring US workers and paying them a great wage?


Answer:  Thier workers actualy work for a living.



Really my statement should be refraised: SirLion, You're the reason you're children will have to move to Alabama and EARN thier money.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Urchin
Yea.. actually Chairboy you were right....

I was just being polite earlier.

Do you not see the similarities between what you're saying and communism?

[Toad]

LOL....

Here bud... see if you can figure this out.

Toyota Powers Ahead at Kentucky Plant

....Renee Brown works assembling the Camry -- the nation's best-selling car. She puts in seat belts and cup holders at Toyota's plant in Kentucky horse country....

...Brown previously worked as an assistant manager at Dairy Queen, where she made $20,000 annually. Six years ago, she got a job at Toyota.

Now, Brown makes $70,000 a year -- more than twice the average manufacturing wage in the area.

The United Auto Workers have tried to crack the Toyota plant since before it opened. Last spring, they opened their own organizing office just down the road.

But Brown says that Toyota's wages are so close to the union's, she doesn't see the advantage.

And one other thing:

In 1997, the state of Alabama granted huge subsidies to Mercedes in exchange for a plant that would employ 1,500 people.

What were the details of this huge incentive package?

$300 million in tax breaks, $253 million in direct incentives, $60 million in Alabama taxpayer money to send fellow Alabamans to Germany for training, and a promise to buy 2,500 of the new Mercedes SUV’s at $30,000 each.

Based on just the initial $300 million grant alone, those 1,500 jobs will cost Alabama taxpayers $200,000 per job. Apparently Alabama, not Mercedes, will be paying those salaries for years to come.

Think that would help Mercedes be "competitive"? Think it's the "non-union" labor that makes them competitive? Maybe it's the State paying their workers for about 3 years that helps them be competitive?

Toyota and Nissan got sweetheart deals on the taxpayer too.

Lastly............ Toyota is the best selling brand in the world. Think that helps them be "competitive"? Maybe it's the fact that GM and Ford are turning out the bland Malibu and Focus that make them lag Toyota?

[Toad]

You know how long it takes Toyota to bring a new car to market?

We are now developing a new model vehicle that we target to complete within 12 months," said Kousuke Shiramizu, executive managing director at Toyota.

You know how long it takes Detroit?

That's not a "union" problem, that's a leadership problem.

[Urchin]

Nonsense, everyone knows they pay the janitors $125k a year to design the new cars.

[Suave]

I think that the time of factory workers getting paid much more than teachers, policemen, paramedics and nurses is coming to an end.

[cpxxx]

Whitehawk thanks for the advice. Made use of some of it already. Met them this morning and it looks like they'll keep me for now. Although when contract renewal time comes up, well who knows. In any case, I will move on soonest. I just don't want to leave under a cloud. On the bright side I got a few days off on full pay.

[Choocha]

Toad,


I guess you don't realize that the UAW is heavly involved in the design phase too.  Prototyping, tool and die makers etc..  GM has good designs (for the most part), GM falls down in the execution of thier designs.  You should tour the protype shop in Warren, Michigan someday.  Count how many slobs are sleeping.  The slobs sleeping are the good ones, its the ones you don't see that you got to worry about....

[Shamus]

So sleeping tool and die guys in the pattern shop is the reason that GM is producing so many models that no one wants to buy, OK got it!!!!

shamus