Author Topic: PLEASE update the blue planes!!! (Read 1310 times)

monteini · « **on:** April 06, 2006, 11:50:59 AM »

Before anyone says anything, I know its been requested a million times already, I just wanted to put in my request for updated f4u's and f6f's. Yes I know they are not doing the pacific battle right now, BUT PLEASE. I'll give ya $30 to do it, lol

Nick172

Saxman · « **Reply #1 on:** April 06, 2006, 02:11:15 PM »

And while you're at it, add the F4U-1A based on the performance charts F4UDOA posted a while back!

bkbandit · « **Reply #2 on:** April 06, 2006, 02:54:24 PM »

the f4u needsalot more acceloration. 4 the 2000 horse pratt and whitney to pull that slow i think somethings wrong. Alot of the spit and japper guys say the planes heavy but the wit the type of power it has com on. That was the most powerful engine during the war.

SIK1 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2006, 03:30:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Saxman
And while you're at it, add the F4U-1A based on the performance charts F4UDOA posted a while back!

Yeah what he said!

Saxman · « **Reply #4 on:** April 06, 2006, 11:07:13 PM »

bk, poor acceleration in the 1-Hog has to do with the combination of the F4U-1's weight and the toothpick prop blades. The thinner prop doesn't take advantage of the power produced as well as the paddle blades on the C/D model (same prop which the 1A ALSO had, but minus the increased weight and drag of the C/D, which is why the F4U-1A's stats are absolutely drool-inducing). Compare the -1 to the C and D and there's a HUGE difference in acceleration. Then there's the F4U-4, which can pretty much shed and regain airspeed at the drop of a hat.

Oh and speaking of the 4-Hog, I say when they do the update they either take away the perk cost, or give an equivilant perk to the 51D.

bkbandit · « **Reply #5 on:** April 07, 2006, 09:37:01 AM »

f4u4 i dont even see why its perked. i see nothin specail about it, and you cant perk mustang. The amount of mustangs all over the place in the war would make a perk on the plane make no sense. I played around with d c and 4 and there aint much of a difference. All of them take tooo long to get to the proper combat speed. I get to speed in a hellcat faster and that was a bigger plane then f4u. Some more accel is what u need.

Alot of guys want to perk the mustang, why. Perk the dweeb planes. Its not my fault that 4 spits want to jump me but i make them a dot on the horizon cause they cant catch me. Perk the dweeb planes and make them learn how to fly. As son as i graduated from those dweeb planes it started to become more about skill.

Saxman · « **Reply #6 on:** April 07, 2006, 10:12:31 AM »

The F4U-4, in terms of overall performance, is probably THE best American fighter in the game, if not the best of ALL the prop fighters. I've flown her from time to time, and I'd fly her MORE if it weren't for the perk cost. To think of it this way, the mid-war F4U-1, excepting acceleration and rate of climb, can hang on relatively equal terms with most any of the late-war birds. The F4U-4 is even BETTER. I don't know what complaint you have about the -4's acceleration, but she's an absolute rocket, ESPECIALLY compared with the -1, Charlie and Delta, capable of a sustained climb in a range of 3-3.5k/min to 10k alt.

And the reason the 51D should be perked if the 4-Hog is perked, is 1) BECAUSE she's used so much (especially by those chicken-***** porking Runstang dweebs) and 2) She's fairly close to the F4U-4 in performance, with a slight edge towards the Hog. Close enough that I think it justifies a perk SO LONG AS THE 4-HOG IS PERKED. So either the 51D should be perked, or the perk should be REMOVED from the F4U-4.

And as Widewing suggested on another forum, any concerns about acceleration in a 1, C or D-Hog can be addressed by entering the fight at higher altitude and pointing that big nose at the ground. Depending on the situation I try to arrive at between 10 and 15k alt.

bkbandit · « **Reply #7 on:** April 07, 2006, 10:32:06 AM »

you say runstang i say chaser. Plenty of times 190s or typho or yaks try to run from a fight and i just shalow dive and grab him. Theres always been alot of debute about what was the best american fighter and it always seems to be bewteen mustang and corsair(they forgot the jug). The corsair is wat got me out of dweeb planes. Im not really happy with accel and i feel that i shouldnt have to go after someone nose down(i fly the d model). With speed it gives me wat i want just takes a while to bluid up.

ANother thing, when u look in the cockpit there no stick on the floor, where did it go?

Make the dweebs, learn perk there planes.

monteini · « **Reply #8 on:** April 07, 2006, 11:27:32 AM »

I was board at work today so I did some testing

0k 200 to 325 no wep / 200 to 325 wep
190d9 1:16 / :46

109k 1:11 / :43

p51 1:04 / :55

f4u1 1:10 / 1:06

F4u1D 1:20 / :59

F4u4 1:01 / :46

KI-84 2:30 / 1:00

7.5K
190d9 1:00 / :44

109k :50 / :35

p51 :51 / :45

F4u1 1:18 / :53

F4u1D 1:24 / :57

F4u4 :59 / :45

KI-84 1:00 / :48

7.5k 200 to 360 no wep / 200 to 360 wep

190d9 1:54 / 1:09

109k 1:37 / :56

p51 1:28 / 1:14

F4u1 3:41@358 / 1:34

F4u1D 3:40@349 / 1:55

F4u4 1:56 / 1:17

KI-84 2:59@353 / 1:48 I had to restart WEP

Interesting that the 51, 109 and 190 all dominate the f4u4 here!

Pooface · « **Reply #9 on:** April 07, 2006, 12:46:51 PM »

the corsairs were heavy, and their engines were radials. it may have been over 2000 hp, but the thing was so heavy, that the power/weight rato sucked. thats why it accelerates so poorly bandit

Saxman · « **Reply #10 on:** April 07, 2006, 01:11:27 PM »

Hope you're being sarcastic about the 4-Hog being dominated, as the difference seems VERY negligible.

I'm a bit surprised to see the F4U-1 edging out the 1D in this test, because the times I've flown the C/D Hogs it's felt to me like they've gotten moving a good bit quicker than the 1-Hog. What's the load status of the 1 and 1D in this test?

BTW, Poo, doesn't a radial air-cooled engine make for a LIGHTER engine since there's no need for the added weight of a radiator and cooling system?

Vudak · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2006, 02:06:11 PM »

The Corsair... Man, it's the only fighter I've ever had the pleasure of seeing in the air so far... What a sight/sound.

Yeah. It needs to be updated

Pooface · « **Reply #12 on:** April 07, 2006, 03:23:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Saxman
BTW, Poo, doesn't a radial air-cooled engine make for a LIGHTER engine since there's no need for the added weight of a radiator and cooling system?

depends of course, but usually radials weigh more. dunno much about them, so i cant explain why very well, but bodhi works with em, so he can probably explain. my guess is though, that because all the cylinders are attached to the shaft in the middle, that all of the other stuff in the engine needs to be set up for each cylinder, meaning that you have to have all the fuel stuff and ignition cables going to every cylinder, instead of all together in a turbine engine. could be wrong though. just more metal needed because of the individual systems.

zorstorer · « **Reply #13 on:** April 07, 2006, 05:08:41 PM »

Also about the radials...

Look at the front of the average radial engined plane....LARGE surface area for the cooling of the cylinders. But in a inline engine you can mush everything around the spinner, all you need is a radiator, BUT it will be more effective at cooling the engine.

Or so I think

bkbandit · « **Reply #14 on:** April 07, 2006, 09:44:07 PM »

that corsair wasnt thaaaat heavy. I think hell cat is heavyer but it accels quicker, maybe even the 47 accels faster ima check that out I think the 47 ran the same pratt & whittey that the corsair has. Ima get the wieght of all the usaf planes later and post them.