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« Reply #255 on: April 13, 2006, 08:19:17 AM »
ok... so now we see that the entire fabric of conventional marriage is up for grabs...  No exceptions....

It's not just gays but... as some have said... why not incestuous couples?   How does that not marginalize marriage?   I am sure that most of those who are married in the conventional way will feel that marriage is much less...... sacred?  meaningful?  every lessening of requirements makes it less meaningful.  Less meaningful means less of a commitment.  Why bother?  it's just a piece of paper that can, and will, be gotten around.

deselys...  why don't you follow my logic on std?   If you admit that gays are far more promiscuous and just as dishonest as everyone else and... that a gay coupleing is hundreds... probly thousands of times more risky.... the gay couple will stand many times more chance of one of the partners having an affair and of that affair leading to an STD (aids more than likely) and not telling the other....than even non married gays.

Non married gays know the risks and "should" be cautious...  if they are married what will be the excuse to wear condoms say?   Like married couples, will the cheating partner admit it or just "take a chance"?

I say the latter.  Gay married couples will have unprotected sex with each other... otherewise.... what is the point?  is marriage  not a "commitment" to be faithful?  

And... if you believe that part of marriage is outdated too then we are even farther down the slope to the dissolution of the institution.

If there are no rules.... why even have it?  

Why should gays be able to destroy the institution of marriage... they have no right.   they have the right to participate.  They simply have to follow the SAME rules as everyone else,

If that type of marriage is not to their likeing... then they need to form their own type of marriage.   Seems pretty simple to me.

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« Reply #256 on: April 13, 2006, 08:40:14 AM »
Lazs, this doesn't make sense:

you say 'gays are more promiscuous'. Let's say that you are right... then both in the couple are more promiscuous and both are already at risk. Not like a heterosexual couple where the faithful wife is infected by her fooling around ma (or vice-versa).

If you think that one of the gays is faithful and could be infected by his partner, then your postulate that all gays are promiscuous is wrong.

If you say that they marry to be able to have unprotected sex, it would mean that they are having protected sex outside marriage... no STD risk.

If two gays are having a relationship + little extras on the side (unprotected), then marriage wouldn't have any positive effect...but it wouldn't make things worse neither.


Not following you there.


Oh, and about the incestuous brother and sisters, nobody asked to give them the right to marry. YOU kept asking the same question like an ill-raised kid and I finally answered to shut you up. But you're trying to hide a forest behind a twig...
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« Reply #257 on: April 13, 2006, 08:56:53 AM »
deselys... I think it is you who can't see the forest for the trees... it is all there for you to see.

You focus on gays... you feel gays are getting a bad deal.   You don't care what the consequences are or what is set in motion so long as you get this cause and, to you, wrong.... righted.

I am pointing out the pitfalls..  have you not heard of precident?  once you say that there can be no discrimination based on sexual preference... you open the gates.... How can you not see that incest and polygamy and pedophilia and whatever are not just as discriminated against.

as for the disease/aids aspect.   Are you kidding?  The risk is very low between heterosexual couples... the male is the one mostly cheating too.

In a homosexual marriage you could have two males who both were at a much higher risk for both promiscuity (way more opportunity) and of aids (homosexuals are far more likely to get aids)

are you saying that they will be honest with each other or even as faithful as straights?  that is very naive and goes against studies on gay promiscuity..   Are you saying that they will continue to use protection even tho married?

What would be the point of that?   what kind of a "commitment" is that?  and if you want to get rid of faithfullness in marriage then yu simply further erode it.

It is indeed a slippery slope....you want to go so far and not farther but..... you will have no choice but to see the "logic" of other "groups" that are so far silent....getting their "rights" too.

It is hypocritical to say that you want this and no more if you base it on a human rights platform.

I don't claim to have explained it perfectly but that is the best I can do at explaining common sense.

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« Reply #258 on: April 13, 2006, 09:09:52 AM »
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The fact that you qualify homosexuality as a perversion has no value:
 


The fact that you do not qualify it as perversion speaks volumes.

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there are no laws punishing this sexual practice.


The laws of nature seem to being to doing a great job of that.
There are also no laws here legalizing gay marriage. :) I suspect mainly due to the fact that marriage is betwen a man and a woman. go figure. :)
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« Reply #259 on: April 13, 2006, 09:26:15 AM »
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Do a google search on a man named Dr. Vincent J. Fontana.


No thanks. Another little story that has nothing to do with gay marriage laws.

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Then take your sarcasm and your ignorance and please put them where the sun doesn't shine.


:D Priceless.
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Don't compare a great man and a great human being with some crimminal who was executed on death row.


Hey ...they both wrote children`s books. Tookie was a great man in the eyes of his homies. Both stories are irrelevant though.

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This again shows just how ignorant you can be Jackal.


:) Do you typed that all puffed up? It`s just the "mere mortal" syndrone that most of us suffer from. From your lofty perch it would hard for you to see.

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Yes, stick your head in the sand and dismiss anything you don't agree with by using a petty snapping match I was having with lazs.


You wished my head was in the sand when you get all huffy and throw temper text tantrums and reveal just how above you think you are to everyone else. You do it regularly. You might want to note that you are most definitely a minority on that subject.
The subject here is gay marriage. Try to keep up.
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« Reply #260 on: April 13, 2006, 09:50:44 AM »
This thread need badly a Godwin point.

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« Reply #261 on: April 13, 2006, 10:04:37 AM »
"The subject is gay marriage try to keep up"

Oh, I've kept up alright.

Here a few choice quotes you have made in this thread....it's all about perversion and comparing gays to non-humans, child molesters and the like:

"I think gays should have the right to get married and live happily ever after just as soon as we get a large enough shuttle to provide them ALL transportation to their new home on some far away planet. One generation should do the trick.
This would free up resources and manpower to devote to the legalization of child molestation , murder and other such natural acts."

"Race/racism has nothing whatsoever to do with the with the panzy packers. Then the human rights BS is thrown in for more smoke and mirrors. From my point of view, to expect and receive human rights you should first be a human being or at the very least act like one. IMO gays are nor do either. More like an experiment gone wrong that produces some mutant, disgusting life form."

"If you wish and expect human rights, in my view, you have to be a human being or at least act as such. Gays are neither.
The laws of nature are the ones who have anything to do with the pastel purse swingers. They go directly against it.
Would you also like to legalize child molestation and murder, for examples?"

"You can compare apples and oranges if you want to..... or in this case humans to fruits."

"I personaly don`t like the idea of our country being spat upon by a bunch of mutant freak perverts."

"Totaly friggen amazing to me how cheap some folks sell out their self pride to fit into a group that`s nothing but Pick Up The Soap Sams to begin with. "

"If someone wishs to put a flower behind their ear and walk hand in hand with the back seat boogie boyz shouting and wailing about their woes and injustice being done to them , that`s their problem, but certainly not mine."

"My daughters pretty well thought for themselves and had enough common sense to stay away from perverts and wackos."

"Yes perverts. You don`t beleive it is perverted? Not but one reason I can see why a male would believe otherwise. I`ll leave that problem up to you if that is the case."

"Perversion is perversion. If you go for one, you might support the other."

You think yourselfr so enlightened and so "on topic" and yet all you have done is used this thread to highlight your bigotted views.

You won't go and google the man I mentioned.  Why is that?  I suspect it is because you would rather keep your blinders on, bury your head in the sand and never admit that a gay person can do anything good in this world.  The gentleman in question didn't just write books.  He has done more to prevent child abuse than just about anyone in the entire world.  

It's sad really because I suspect you have taught your 4 daughters to be just as bigotted as yourself.  What a shame.
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« Reply #262 on: April 13, 2006, 10:11:59 AM »
The worst about gay marriage is as soon as they will get married they will start mating and reproduce.

I understand fully why some are pretty worried.

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« Reply #263 on: April 13, 2006, 10:14:55 AM »
The entire thought and idea is a charade and a mockery to human rights when using that as a toll free pass.
It`s been asked here a few times..."Why do you care or what business is it of anyone`s what goes on in the privacy of their bedroom, etc?"
If it had been kept in "orivacy" and the "bedroom" there probably wouldn`t be much of a problem in society. The fact is, it has been brought out of the bedroom and privacy and made very public. Now it is being asked for it to be viewed as a human rights issue. It certainly is not. Marriage is between a man and a woman. There are laws that allow them to accomplish what they are saying they want. It`s a charade and a farce. A mockery.
Saying that by making gay marriage legal wouldn`t open the door to more mockeries and charades is a bit more than naive.
If it is based on and is looked upon as a human rights isuue, you open the door to almost anything. What`s next? Leagalization of child molestation, murder, the right to marry your milk cow?  Should bank robbery be legalized? Without legalizing it we are standing in the way of the bank robbers pursuit of happiness and fullfilment. Sound far fetched. A very few years ago if you had made the suggestion or made reference to "gay marriage" you would have been the life of the party because you would have been laughed under the table.
There is some real sickos out there in the world that will take the naive and use them to promote their cause.
Getting a wedding ring on a squirrel would be a real trick. Might be next.
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« Reply #264 on: April 13, 2006, 10:15:43 AM »
It kind of amazeing how much you can insult as long as it's from a WASP point of view.

So if such insults keep up can I start telling them what I really think of them?... HTC and Mod's?

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So I ask agin ..... how can you define marriage as between a Man and a Women when you can't define Man and Woman?

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« Reply #265 on: April 13, 2006, 10:22:14 AM »
Lazs, this is using up too much of my time to repeatedly type the same things. Methinks that you don't really read what I write but quickly browse it and post in a knee-jerk reaction.

1 example though:
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Are you saying that they will continue to use protection even tho married?
lazs


The key word is CONTINUE:
1) 2 gays, not married, having lots of affairs, PROTECTED sex => STD risk not absent but much reduced.
2) they meet and marry, they have unprotected sex together
3) let's assume that they continue to have affairs outside marriage...why should they drop the protections that they were using for years? Even if they are purely egotistical (sp?), their own life is at stake too!

Now I don't claim that all gays are only having protected sex. But chances are slim that a gay responsible about the STD risk would be likely to marry a sexual 'kamikaze'... And I don't understand why a gay only interested in adding up his affairs would want to marry.
Add to this that gays are usually much more STD aware than heteros.
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« Reply #266 on: April 13, 2006, 10:28:38 AM »
Hey Jackal, a few centuries ago it was an heresy to say that earth was in fact round and circling the sun. People were tortured for having DARED to try and explain it to good religious people like you. Food for thought, hmmm?


OTOH, you are right: it won't stop at gay marriage! As soon as this matter is over, I'll promote the sterilization of idiots. You'd better start campaigning against this right now because, contrary to gay marriage, you're directly implied.
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« Reply #267 on: April 13, 2006, 10:37:06 AM »
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You think yourselfr so enlightened and so "on topic" and yet all you have done is used this thread to highlight your bigotted views.
 


And all you have done is promote your supposed PCness and your more than willingly promotion of the gay lifestyle. You may find it Okie dokie, but I dang sure don`t and will express myself on the issue like I see fit.

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You won't go and google the man I mentioned.  Why is that?


I am not interested in your gay family friend`s legacy. Simple enough for you. It does not pertain to what is being discussed.

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It's sad really because I suspect you have taught your 4 daughters to be just as bigotted as yourself.  What a shame.


My daughters were taught the basics of  right and wrong. That`s really what matters in the long run. After that point, they think and decide for themselves. All four of them are just as sickened by the flamers as I am and rightly so. It`s disgusting a a mark on the human race.
So far you have used descriptions of me as "ignorant" and now a couple of times as "bigotted". Sorry for you that you feel the need to do that just because someone is not willing to sell out their values and beliefs.
If the belief that the gay lifestyle is sickening , disgusting, unnatural and a mockery to humanity itself is "bigotted" in your eyes, then get out the brush and get to painting hoss. As mentioned before, I certainly have no desire to sell out common sense and decency just to follow the PC or Yup crowd in the silver spoon fantasy world such as you seem to find necessary. So break out the camel hair and paint me "bigotted". I , in return, will paint you as a PC sell out.
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« Reply #268 on: April 13, 2006, 10:49:17 AM »
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OTOH, you are right: it won't stop at gay marriage!


Prevention is not necessary for the non-existent. Marriage is between a man and a woman.

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As soon as this matter is over, I'll promote the sterilization of idiots. You'd better start campaigning against this right now because, contrary to gay marriage, you're directly implied


I don`t believe you could "promote" chocolate at the Hershey factory, but if you wish to attempt to commit suicide and an end to those who think like you...go for it. :)
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« Reply #269 on: April 13, 2006, 12:05:03 PM »
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The entire thought and idea is a charade and a mockery to human rights when using that as a toll free pass.
It`s been asked here a few times..."Why do you care or what business is it of anyone`s what goes on in the privacy of their bedroom, etc?"
If it had been kept in "orivacy" and the "bedroom" there probably wouldn`t be much of a problem in society. The fact is, it has been brought out of the bedroom and privacy and made very public. Now it is being asked for it to be viewed as a human rights issue. It certainly is not. Marriage is between a man and a woman. There are laws that allow them to accomplish what they are saying they want. It`s a charade and a farce. A mockery.
Saying that by making gay marriage legal wouldn`t open the door to more mockeries and charades is a bit more than naive.
If it is based on and is looked upon as a human rights isuue, you open the door to almost anything. What`s next? Leagalization of child molestation, murder, the right to marry your milk cow?  Should bank robbery be legalized? Without legalizing it we are standing in the way of the bank robbers pursuit of happiness and fullfilment. Sound far fetched. A very few years ago if you had made the suggestion or made reference to "gay marriage" you would have been the life of the party because you would have been laughed under the table.
There is some real sickos out there in the world that will take the naive and use them to promote their cause.
Getting a wedding ring on a squirrel would be a real trick. Might be next.


Yanno, if you could just type out explanations like these without getting into your superiority rants (see a few posts above for a few prime examples of your "class"), people might actually take you seriously.

Now, if you could actually read our posts without just thinking of ways to make "us" look stupid, you might realize just about all of your questions have already been answered.
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