Mark Chapman - forgive and forget?

[Dowding]

It seems Mark Chapman won't get his freedom after his imprisonment for killing Lennon. And rightly so IMO; he wouldn't last five minutes if he was released.

Do you guys reckon he is a reformed man and should be released, perhaps with government protection?

[Toad]

Being the compassionate liberal soul that I am, I still feel the same way I did the day he shot Lennon.

I'm very willing to forgive him...right after we hang him.

I'm also willing to forget him as soon as we bury him.

He lost his turn. Why is he still on the merry-go-round of life?

 

[StSanta]

Keep him locked up.
Otherwise other idiots might be tempted to kill someone to get their 15 minutes of fame.

Release him. Don't give him any government protection. Watch him die after a fanatic Lennon fans uses his head as a baseball bat.

He brought it onto himself. Ain't got no sympathy for murderers.

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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"

[Eagler]

StSanta
We finally almost agree on something. My thought is to have Yoko visit him with a Colt 45 and put one btwn the his ears. Save us all alot of tax money  which could be better spend say on our inner city schools. Make it a pay per view event to recover some of the cost of keeping him in prison to date. I'd pay $50 to see that.
Eagler

[Igloo]

An eye for an eye and everyone's blind.  

But I do believe that if you kill someone, you should have life in prison.  Keep him in there for the rest of his life.

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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York

"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]

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Originally posted by Toad:
Being the compassionate liberal soul that I am, I still feel the same way I did the day he shot Lennon.

I'm very willing to forgive him...right after we hang him.

I'm also willing to forget him as soon as we bury him.

He lost his turn. Why is he still on the merry-go-round of life?

 

I noticed you used the "we" several times. Would you personally hang this individual?

[-lynx-]

I'm with Toad on this one.

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lynx
13 Sqn RAF

[Eagler]

Igloo
The problem with keeping a killer alive for life is WHY??? No mistake here, he did it. Why should he get three square meals a day, live in air conditioning and have cable tv not to mention the access to lawyers to tie up our judicial system even more? I think if we enforced the penalties of the crimes more quickly and thoroughly, there would be less crime. There isn't a large enough deterrent these days. Most of the scum in prison have it better than they do when they are out on the street. Not to mention the poor and less fortunate, struggling families who have to do with much less. I heard on the news a couple of days ago where prisoners somewhere in the US were squeakin about having to eat the same G.I. rations the military serves our soldiers. What a load of sh#T. Some lawyer (tax paid) wasting everyone's time and money on such an issue. That's one thing the middle east has correct, you steal- you lose ur hand, most other things- they just cut off your head. Very low crime in these countries as the punishment more than fits the crime. Go figure. Bring back the chain gangs, clean our highways .. put these useless examples of humanity to work.
** Pictures Steve McQueen in Cool Hand Luke ... "I'm shakin it boss, I'm shakin it" ...   **

Eagler

[Baddawg]

Part them out.
Lots of good folks need parts.
You kill someone in the first degree you automatically go into the body pool.

[Dowding]

Chapman was covicted of 2nd degree murder wasn't he?

[wrench]

Let's go back in time, a few moments before Lennon's murder, Lennon realizes something is wrong with the guy coming up to him. He is afraid, he pulls his .45 and shoots the guy dead.

In dowding's world, we would have Lennon in jail for murder and no parol, or maybe as others said in the "body pool".

You see much like Tony Martin, Lennon had no way of knowing the man's intentions, we know from hindsight what his intentions were. So if Lennon had feared for his life those last moments (did he?), and had shot, you guys would have said "hey, he was just going to take some of your money or property, you are a murderer! Go to jail!" We would not have known the man's true intentions since Lennon protected his own life and stopped the incident.

So I say had Lennon been carrying a gun he would be alive today with people wondering why he isn't in prison.

Wrench

[Eagler]

Dowding
Splitting hairs now??? Murder is murder. You a lawyer? Liberal? Liberal lawyer ? .. the worst. Look at OJ. The scum now has a house in FL.

No organ donation, grind em up and use them as fertilizer. Same thing they should do to a rapist or pedophile’s sexual parts. Stronger pentalities = less crime. Crime has drop considerably since the 10, 20 life sentencing went into effect in FL under Jeb Bush admin. The world has turned soft... time for a change in priorities. People need to take responsibily for their actions. Play you gotta pay... it's called Karma.

Eagler

[Karnak]

Statistically, convicted murderers get paroled at their first parole hearing less than 10% of the time in the U.S.

It seems to me that the parole board made the right call in this case.  I particularly don't like how he blames it on his father (take responsibility for your own actions Mr. Chapman) and how he said that Mr. Lennon would want him to be free (Mr. Lennon took 10 years to forgive Mr.McCartney.  How long do you think it would take for him to forgive the guy who killed him?).

The parole board also noted, "During your parole hearing, this panel noted your continued interest in maintaining your notoriety."

It sure sounds like he needs to saty put for a while longer.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Dowding]

 

Originally posted by Wrench:
We would not have known the man's true intentions since Lennon protected his own life and stopped the incident.

So I say had Lennon been carrying a gun he would be alive today with people wondering why he isn't in prison.

Wrench

Firstly, the first paragraph doesn't make any sense. When Chapman's body was searched they would have found the gun - surely that demostrates his true intentions, and Lennon could have argued convincingly on that point.

Secondly, the difference between Lennon and Martin (a very strange sentence to write), is that Martin shot an unarmed person. That is key, and the law sees that as unnecessary force.

And another thing, Lennon had something against guns I think you'll find - I doubt he would have kept one in his house. Listen to his music - he makes this very clear.

Eagler - I wasn't trying to make a point - I just don't know the difference between 1st and 2nd degree. Our legal system doesn't use those terms.

[Igloo]

The death penalty is cowardly and does absolutly no good.

I agree, prison life is too easy, so that justifys killing someone?

Change the prison life. Take away the TV.  Take away any luxuries and make it a hard life in prison. But don't kill them.

There is a lot of scum in prison, no doubt.  But the death penalty is a primative, cowardly way of dealing with things.  Does it cost you some money to keep this man in prison? Yes.  Should you whine about it?  Unless youw ould rather him on the streets, no.

If the only reason you want this man put to death is because his presence in the system takes some money away from you, then that is one sad fact.  You should be happy be paying taxes that keeps the man off the street.

Murder does not justify murder.

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Squadron Leader, Igloo.
C/O RCAF 411 Squadron - County of York

"Problems cannot be solved with the same awareness that created them" - Albert Einstein[/i]