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Offline FiLtH

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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2006, 10:01:20 PM »
I think I should upgrade soon. I use a 1.6 pent with a 128mb card and 512 ram. I have settings way low and only get 30 or so fps in a lite battle.

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So I should......
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2006, 10:18:10 PM »
Choose a stronger Vid card. And what componant will raise my ram?

They say ignornce is bliss, but tht doesn't seem to apply here.....
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2006, 11:50:36 PM »
Having recently gone from 512MB to 1.5 GB ram recently (had 512, bought a 1GB stick) I can tell you without a doubt that more than 512mb ram will make your life better in almost everything computer related.

I don't only play AH. In AH I had decent performance as it was, now it's a bit better. Where it really shines is with photoshop, with HL2, and other games. Before upgrading I could barely run HL2 at full settings (barely = 8 fps), and after adding more ram I can set it all to high resolution and full shaders/details/textures and cruise along at 50+fps. The ONLY thing I changed was the ram and got a larger HD for more storage.

So get more ram if you can.

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Re: video cards
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2006, 12:57:55 AM »
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im looking at upgrading my video card my PC can w/ an ati x 200 i turned the settings down alittle for more performance b/c it really seems to struggle for instance if i try to attack a filght of buffs when i get within 800meters my fps will drop to 4 or 5 per secound also when the sun starts to set and rise again my fps will drop to 7 or 8 per secound. Im not very good with computers so im just guessing its my card. What cards should i stay away from and what cards do ya'll recommend.
My PC isnt even a year old i have 2gb of rememory it has amd anthlon 64 processor and thats about all the info i know about it. So if you have any suggestions i would apreciate it
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I just bought a rack sytem with the x200...my framerate will go from about 25 on the runway to upper 40's at alt with default sliders accept fro ground detail whch is bumped up a bit. Has 1 gig of ram and 3500+ venice core cpu. AH is cpu dependent so if you have a slower cpu you might have lower performance since the x200 only will use 256 of your 2 gig....

Biggest hit is probably the onboard sound...i notice a lag under load when I fire in furball or ack in furball...but never down to "slideshow" level....seems to stay in 20-22 fps at worst. I ordered a 7900GT for $309 but am not sure if PS is up to it...althoug has either 18 or 19a on the 12v rail....

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Re: video cards
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2006, 01:59:57 AM »
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Originally posted by JimBeam
im looking at upgrading my video card my PC can w/ an ati x 200 i turned the settings down alittle for more performance b/c it really seems to struggle for instance if i try to attack a filght of buffs when i get within 800meters my fps will drop to 4 or 5 per secound also when the sun starts to set and rise again my fps will drop to 7 or 8 per secound. Im not very good with computers so im just guessing its my card. What cards should i stay away from and what cards do ya'll recommend.
My PC isnt even a year old i have 2gb of rememory it has amd anthlon 64 processor and thats about all the info i know about it. So if you have any suggestions i would apreciate it
Beamer:)


Jim, I would be more than happy to help you with any possible upgrades for your system.
To be most helpful tho I will need to know what kind of system you have? Model number?  Do you have a PCI-x slot? Did your system come with a manual with specs?

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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2006, 07:05:30 AM »
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I think I should upgrade soon. I use a 1.6 pent with a 128mb card and 512 ram. I have settings way low and only get 30 or so fps in a lite battle.


That would mean you would have to stop playing AH, and work, to make the money, so you can come back and play AH at a higher FPS.

Sounds like in insurmountable problem...

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Re: So I should......
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2006, 03:16:02 PM »
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Originally posted by Atoon
Choose a stronger Vid card. And what componant will raise my ram?

They say ignornce is bliss, but tht doesn't seem to apply here.....


Howabout-

Intel Pent-4,  630,  3Gig, 2MB cache, 800 MHz FSB, 64 bit + HT ready
3 Heatsink Fans
2 gig memory
Geforce 7600, 256MB
3Gb hard drive, 7200RPM, 8m Cache
Soundblaster Audigy SE
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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2006, 04:37:53 PM »
"512 MB DDR400 Memory"

This is the line that applies....your current configuration has 2x256 meg of PC3200 memory. You can "up" your memory in 3 ways:

1) size ie...1gig
2) speed some MB's support higher bus speeds and use memory faster then the 400mgz that pc3200 runs at
3) not all memory is equal some has a faster timing cycle then others...memory latency explained

article will explain it for you better then I can

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OK, this model is $200 less
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2006, 05:12:49 PM »
Anyone see a problem with this system?

Howabout-

Intel Pent-4, 630, 3Gig, 2MB cache, 800 MHz FSB, 64 bit + HT ready
3 Heatsink Fans(It comes w/1 but cooler is better right?)
2 gig memory(I R Teh Lernin)
Geforce 7600, 256MB(is this good enough, considering the ram?)
3Gb hard drive, 7200RPM, 8m Cache
Soundblaster Audigy SE

Aside from the processor, all are upgrades.
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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2006, 07:03:34 PM »
more than good enough....the 7600 is a scaled down 7900...has all the pipes but runs at a slower speed (but also a lot cooler)....should be plenty of pop for AH.....

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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2006, 08:47:48 PM »
Here is a neat cpu comparision chart , Unreal tournament is selected as a bench as it is cpu dependant . If your just using this for gaming , id look at the amd stuff. While the Intel 630 would be fine for AH now, who knows how aces will be 6 months from now .

 http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=238&chart=71&model2=211

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AMD version
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2006, 12:22:12 AM »
Back to the "weekly gamer special" w/ the following performance upgrades-


AMD Athlon-64 X2 3800+ w/ Hyper Transport(doesn't say what gig)
1024 MB DDR-400 PC 3200
GeForce 7600 GS 256 MB


Gebus its hard to shop when you don't know anything about what your looking at.
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Re: AMD version
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2006, 03:54:00 AM »
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Back to the "weekly gamer special" w/ the following performance upgrades-


AMD Athlon-64 X2 3800+ w/ Hyper Transport(doesn't say what gig)
1024 MB DDR-400 PC 3200
GeForce 7600 GS 256 MB


Gebus its hard to shop when you don't know anything about what your looking at.


I believe its a 2.4g. You could save a little more by getting a single core CPU instead of the dual core.Or get the single core and get the 7800GT card. Id stick with the AMD too. You get more bang for your buck.

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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2006, 04:37:17 PM »
sry got tired of reading, has anyone plugged newegg yet?

http://www.newegg.com

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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2006, 01:03:47 AM »
This is a repost from a few weeks ago - but it applies to you.

I'll share my experience with ya - and for starters - the AMD thread offers solutions which when you get toward the bottom and page 2 provide a solution that works. Which in 99 % of the cases, is running AH in Windows 98 compatability mode with 1 of the CPU cores turned off.

Now - onto the meat. You wanna build yrself a box. Easy enough, you want it to be large enough to fit an ATX formfactor with some extra space if you have bulky items inside. Some companies don't comply with the ATX standard, such as in video cards - so you want to allow for some overhead.

The CASE



Especially with the new line of processors needs a lot more cooling then in previous generations of PC. I've built a lot of computers, and as the processors got more powerful heat became my worst enemy. And because my case was too small, ended up destroying some components b/c of it. (3 video cards, 2 motherboards, 1 ram chip, 1 CPU and a HD.) By the time I got smart about it, I practically had my own coffee cup with the RMA departments. Since my case was tightly packed to begin with, my method was somewhat crude...and draconian - which involved cutting the ends off a 120mm fan and shoving it inside and securing it down with duct tape. The heat problems vanished at that point. I took no chances with the latest system built last week, which start out with 2 (120mm) and an 80mm fan.


For most users this is overkill, because if you look at the 2nd picture there are provisions to have 3 (120mm) fans up front, which attach to 3.5 HD bays - plus the 120mm at back, plus the 80mm exhaust up top, and there is even another damn fan on the detachable panel in the 80mm range which can be thrown on for cross flow.

You are probally thinking, ok - cooling, is no small ****. Well, your right - it isn't anymore. The chief cause of component failure on PCB's is heat related, and as the chip making process squeezes more stuff into smaller space, resistance builds up, heat rises, and the methods to disperse this excess grow.

The lesson learned - GET a case that is large enough to grow - and has plenty of provision for cooling and not some 1/2 assed jury rigged solution that is learned after 1/2 a dozen RMA's.


MOTHERBOARDS:




The motherboard is your foundation. Without it, you don't see any porn or play AH. ABIT is highly respected in the gaming community because it doesn't break, and is user friendly for overclocking and tinkerers alike. This is my MB, which runs on an AMD X2 4400 processor. I choose AMD because my previous machine is AMD, and AMD has for years constantly outperformed Intel on all things gaming and simulation related. Which is important for you to consider in your purchase. If you look closely at the picture, you notice 2 long black slots and 2 shot black slots - and 2 white slots. The 2 long black slots are the 16bit PCI express slots. The 2 short black slots are shot PCI express, and the white slots are PCI.

The Processor






When you look at the size of the chip compared to the radiator it needs to house - you gotta ask yrself. How much power is flowing through that to need such a hugeass fan? Well lets see...

Approximate Transistor count: 233.2 million
Approximate Die Size: 199mm2
Nominal Voltage: 1.35-1.40V
Max Thermal Power: 110 W
Max Ambient Case Temp: 65 degrees Celsius
Max Icc (processor current): 80A

Makes sense to me - 110W thermal is ALOT for such a small piece of silicone. And that is why the heat sync has such a huge footprint.

POWER SUPPLIES

Its hard to argue, with all of that power going to the processor alone - let alone any perhipherals you may have - you will need a lot of power. Generally speaking 500 watts is a good baseline to make sure you don't overtax yrself. I choose Antec because its reliable and has a ****load of connectors.



DVD Writers

It goes without saying, you want something that can write DVD's in dual layer and be capable of writing CD's also. The one I got does all of that, and doesn't break the bank either - especially at $40.00

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827152058

Hard Drives

There is a lot of talk about SATA and RAID enviroments. Sure, my motherboard has SATA and RAID capability, which offers speed and of course redundancy - but there is a price to pay, of course in equipment. Some decent drives are out there - but don't consider less then 300 GB - and usually a pair of them. I got 2 of these and they work beautifully. link

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822140166

RAM

2 GIG is the new minimum. 90% of what is out there you will end up with 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 in the 1 or 2 GB variety. RAM prices are always fluxuating, and many manufactures offer rebates. Here if what I got. 2 GIGs for 150 bux after rebate is hard to argue with.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227210

The Video Card

Card review: http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTAwMSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

This is a touchy subject - you've got 2 choices - NVIDIA or ATI. I've owned both. The current top of the crop is the NVIDIA 7900 GTX which - to put it bluntly is ****ing huge. The 7900 at top left and its sibling the 7900GT. The difference lay in how much current is being put through, the GT is around 500 mhz, and the GTX at 650 or so. The architecture is the same between them - but the GTX has 512 MB ram, the GT has 256 - coupled by the slower clockspeed - which allows for a smaller cooling unit and overall footprint on th e motherboard. I had an ATI Radeon 9600, then ebay'd an ATI Radeon 9800 for 65 bux. After I built this system last week, now there are 2 7900 GTX's - which brings up another point, and this goes into the lessons learned part of the paragraph.



Double wide cards, like the 7900 GTX take up a lot of space. And if you look upstairs on the motherboard image, that is 4 slots - which leaves me with only 1 PCI slot at the bottom. But for my purposes, that is ok - because the MB has sound, GIG ethernet, 1334, optical, and enough USB on the system board and front panel for me not to complain too much. But if you wanted to add something - keep that in mind with the MB you choose and make sure it has enough slots available for what you want it to do.

Read this article to see what I mean.


http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/03/28/abit_an8_32x/1.html

I guess thats it - if I think of anything else i'll add stuff. But this took like 2 hours to write so I hope it helps.

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