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Offline Ripsnort

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« on: October 11, 2000, 02:21:00 PM »
Interesting article by this gentlman:

By Alan Caruba
 The unbelievable tedium of the presidential campaign as it winds down toward November 7th seems to suggest Americans are operating on automatic, ignoring the campaign either because they made up their minds long ago, because they are unable to perceive any significant difference between the candidates or because they are the much ballyhood "undecideds." Nothing could be farther from the truth.

 I don't think there are that many "undecideds" at this point. I think those who say they are undecided are either lying or, more likely, they are morons who have paid no attention to the campaign and have no intention of voting.

Anyone who has paid any attention at this point knows that Gov. George W. Bush represents the view that government must be smaller, less intrusive into our lives, while Vice President Gore has proposed a myriad of programs that would expand government to a new bursting point. In truth, under both Democrats and   Republicans, the fastest growing segment of the employment sector has been government at all levels. The only thing perceptively downsized is our military that strains to meet its recruitment needs and is working with spare parts.

The cold truth is that voter turnout has been diminishing for years and November's election will likely prove to be the smallest turnout ever. This bodes ill for America. Nothing so endangers a democracy than that its citizens grow indifferent to who leads their nation. It is an open invitation to despotism.

The most significant aspect of the campaign is the long trail of lies that Al Gore leaves behind him as he moves closer to his goal of taking this nation toward "a wrenching transformation of society" to correct
 what he believes is man's assault on earth. "We are the enemy," he wrote in his famous book, "Earth in the Balance", but there is no balance to his views. He offers a despotism directed at ending "consumption" of everything by imposing "sacrifice" and "struggle" on Americans, most of whom haven't
 a clue what he has in mind for them.

 We are not the enemy, nor do we have any cause to be dispirited. To borrow from the preamble of the Constitution, we are the people who have come together to establish justice and insure domestic tranquility by forming "a more perfect Union." Our government operates at "the consent of the governed", but neither Clinton, nor Gore are much interested in either our opinions or consent. They want obedience.
There will be very little tranquility if Al Gore is elected and begins to impose his dark view of the world upon us. Clinton tried to achieve this by issuing more Executive Orders than virtually every preceding President. The lesson has not been lost on Gore.

The tedium, the indifference, the seeming lack of drama of this election masks what will surely be a dramatic turning point if Gore is elected. So far on the campaign trail, he hasn't spoken about his real
 vision, spelled out in his book. Instead he uses the politics of fear to entice seniors to believe that their Social Security check will no longer arrive, that Medicare will cease to provide help, and that, for whatever reason, the government must now also pay for their medications. To young married couples, he holds out college tuition benefits for their children.

He offers everyone the villains of Big Oil, Big Tobacco, Big Pharmaceutical companies; all big business with which he has been heavily invested, first on his father's tobacco farm, then as trustee of $500,000 of
 Occidental Oil, and as the beneficiary of campaign funds from pharmaceutical companies. To others he offers Hollywood as the enemy. Government, he suggests, will have to step in and decide what is acceptable for Big Media to provide. To anyone else, he offers "the rich." No communist could do it any better.

 Big Brother will look after you and, in return, you will do what Big Brother says. The morons who are "undecided" always learn this truth too late.


Alan Caruba is the founder of The National Anxiety Center, a clearinghouse for information about scare campaigns


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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2000, 07:08:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Interesting article by this gentlman:

By Alan Caruba
 The unbelievable tedium of the presidential campaign as it winds down toward November 7th seems to suggest Americans are operating on automatic, ignoring the campaign either because they made up their minds long ago, because they are unable to perceive any significant difference between the candidates or because they are the much ballyhood "undecideds." Nothing could be farther from the truth.

 I don't think there are that many "undecideds" at this point. I think those who say they are undecided are either lying or, more likely, they are morons who have paid no attention to the campaign and have no intention of voting.
                    ....

 Big Brother will look after you and, in return, you will do what Big Brother says. The morons who are "undecided" always learn this truth too late.


Another geat post Ripsnort

Anyone heard of this:
 http://www.digitalangel.net/index.htm

"Basic Features of Digital Angel™

The idea behind the initial version of Digital Angel™ is to build a microchip that can be worn close to the body. Subject to FDA approval, future versions of the device may be able to be implanted within the body.* This microchip will include biosensors that will measure the biological parameters of the body and store this information. "

* It is my understanding that this step is complete. It is the size of a rice kernel which can be implanted under the skin. How does one feel about walking around with a GPS antenna on your person 24/7?

Not to hard to read between the lines here: http://www.digitalangel.net/pr_09_11_00.htm

Its implications are scary to say the least...........

Prophetic at worst case.

Eagler




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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2000, 02:58:00 AM »
Ripsnort must be a member of the Bush propaganda machine  .

Or be the machine himself.

Resistance if futile. You will be assimilated  

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2000, 06:08:00 AM »
 
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Ripsnort must be a member of the Bush propaganda machine   .

Or be the machine himself.

Resistance if futile. You will be assimilated  


And you my friend are a liberal (Gore) mouth piece   Gore's campaign song should be "Welcome to the Machine" by Pink Floyd as his big gov plan is nothing more than that. Huxley's "Brave New World" comes to mind..

Anyone else see Bush kick Gore's arse last night? There maybe hope yet...

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2000, 08:25:00 AM »
Eagler, Santa and I go back along ways on our political differences, and they are all in jest, for the most part!  

Believe  me when I say that Santa appears to be left liberal today, since he's young, dumb and full of c..but when he hits 30 and gets married, that will change, I can tell by the content of his posts.    (I used to think like he did, amazing ain't it?)

One day he will relize that  when he gets a good salary from a big company that hires him (Granted, he doesn't show up to the interview with colored hair that basically says "Im having an Identity Crisis"), that hires folks, helps the economy, gives him a good retirement package, and 6 weeks off a year for vacations, then, only then, will he see the light.  



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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2000, 09:02:00 AM »
Ripsnort
I know what you mean. My view point now at 41 is 180 degrees from what it was when I was 19. It's just that for every liberal statement/point of view, there needs to be a counterpoint or else those who know no diff could be brain washed. It's much easier to be lib these days than conservative. As today's youth seems to be softer than previous gen's, the MTV gen, unless there is a conservative (square) point of view, more of our youth will just swallow the liberal POV (cool) as it is an easier lifestyle. Less restraints, more so called freedoms but at what cost...
I know where StSanta is coming from. I have a 21 year old son who knows it all   Heck, I knew it all at 21 also, just I know more now  

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2000, 09:16:00 AM »
Hehe, Eagler, I may have to get some pointers from you in a few years, got a 2 and 4 year old boys, and I'm 40.

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2000, 11:48:00 AM »
Gore's antics at the first debate infuriated me! I got a big kick out of him squirming an d biting his lip last night. This guy is not a leader. I think George W. will probably be a better prez than his dad, especially stronger in domestic affairs (economy) and he  will benefit from the experience of George Sr and his colleages in foreign affairs.

Now ask yourself, who would you rather have a beer with - Gore or Bush?

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2000, 11:53:00 AM »
Do  you seriously believe Bush won that debate? Man, take off those blinders!

I think the debate was fairly equal until Bush couldn't respond to Gore's numbers relating to Texas being dead last in health care.

Nothing wrong with being liberal.  It means you're open minded and compassionate towards other people who may or may not be associated wit you.  IT also means being open to change.

Being Conservative means being stuck in the past, being an elitist and looking down on anyone who does not conform to your elitest, old ideas.

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2000, 12:51:00 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2000, 01:14:00 PM »
Igloo:

Your above post says it all about the Liberal mind.  You're out of touch.

After watching Gore crash-and-burn during the debates, i've been humming a little tune that goes a little like this:

"I said Baby, Baby, Baby, you're out of time...."  The Rolling Stones.

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2000, 01:35:00 PM »
 
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Do  you seriously believe Bush won that debate? Man, take off those blinders!

I think the debate was fairly equal until Bush couldn't respond to Gore's numbers relating to Texas being dead last in health care.

Nothing wrong with being liberal.  It means you're open minded and compassionate towards other people who may or may not be associated wit you.  IT also means being open to change.

Being Conservative means being stuck in the past, being an elitist and looking down on anyone who does not conform to your elitest, old ideas.


Igloo,

Just where does your defintiion of open minded come from??? This post and your "redneck roadkill" post are pretty indicative of a much differant concept of open minded than what I have ever found. Yours is much more in line with saying, I'm open minded as long as you think / act as I want you to. Exactly where does your version of compassion for others not associated with you come into play here? I certainly missed it in the redneck post.

Now about the idea of labels. Wasn't it you that asked earlier why anyone should be labled??? In your "liberal speak" conservative and elitist are definitely labels. I felt very much looked down upon by your last paragraph. Is this only authorized for "liberals"?

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2000, 01:39:00 PM »
Cabby,

You are a putz.

I always think it's funny when Republican robots try to make themselves seem more human by using lyrics from a rock song to make their point. Bozo boy, The
Rolling Stones and every other rock group in the free world are DEMOCRATS. Every time George W. tries to use theme music he gets a nasty letter from the group telling him to stop playing their music because they don't want to be associated with that stiff or the republican party. I think Wagner might be a better choice of music for that campain.
Bush can play "Ride of the Valkeries" while he drives through poor neighborhoods crushing the bones of his royal subjects.
Ahh Camelot...

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2000, 01:49:00 PM »
Geez, guys, can't we just discuss politics without personal insults to each other? Everyone who posted in this thread is a guy I could easily sit down and have a beer with, regardless of their political affiliation (Well, Santa might be an exception, we would have to sit down in a bar of MY choice, not his     )

Back to the subject, I didn't catch the debate, from radio and internet reports I've heard today, *they* say George won this round...any input on the debate?

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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2000, 02:01:00 PM »
 
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Bush can play "Ride of the Valkeries" while he drives through poor neighborhoods crushing the bones of his royal subjects.
Ahh Camelot...

Later
F4UDOA

Oh yeah, that's right - all republicans are rich and the democrats are poor struggling people.. I think what is more accurate is the fact that there are more democrats on welfare than republicans as the average republican is self sufficient while the democrat wants/needs the government for their hand outs. They want bigger government i.e. larger hand outs, while penalizing the successful with higher taxes to pay for these programs. They think the federal government knows how to run their life better than they do themselves. I find it humorous to see these democrats in their limos and furs act as if they represent Joe six-pack.

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