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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2000, 10:47:00 AM »
Igloo, without personal attack intended, you do not want my opinion of CNN news, they do not report news, they simply give their political opinion when reporting the news, whether is be a raising or lower of voice at the proper moment, or raised eye-brows, or stories  they choose to run, they are politically slanted to the left as much as Fox news is to the right.  A broad base of information from various sources is best, then weeding out the politically bias, etc.  If you get all your political information from one source (i.e. CNN) then you (not "you" as in igloo, but You as in taxpayer) are one hurting unit.

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« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2000, 10:50:00 AM »
One other thing, read Gore's book,  then ask yourself if this is a man you want in the White house.

This is a bad year for presidential runners, however after reading Gores book, I would have Satan himself in the white house before I put Gore in.

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« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2000, 10:53:00 AM »
LOL, so, when CNN says Gore won it is CNN that is wrong? Hrmm...  What if FOX agreed with CNN? And NBC?

Isn't it funny how the republicans made a stink about Clinton smoking pot, yet they don't mention Bush doing Cocaine?  

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« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2000, 11:26:00 AM »
why do you care so much igloo?  dont ya have to worry whos "saving the queen" this week?  my god worry about your country first.

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« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2000, 11:51:00 AM »
 
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LOL, so, when CNN says Gore won it is CNN that is wrong? Hrmm...  What if FOX agreed with CNN? And NBC?
Thats a big "What if",  and I would agree if several sources said he won, but, one known reporter was heard to say after the debate in regards to Bush "your looking at the next president of the United States"

 
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Isn't it funny how the republicans made a stink about Clinton smoking pot, yet they don't mention Bush doing Cocaine?  

Why should they mention it, the Democrats are doing it. (Think role reversal)


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« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2000, 11:55:00 AM »
I think Igloo has been transfixed by all the Gory campaign hype fluttering about.

The following is Gore talking at the Democratic National Convention in 1996:


"When I was a child, my family was attacked by an invisible force that was then considered harmless.  My sister Nancy was older than me.  There were only the two of us, and I loved her more than life itself.  She started smoking when she was 13 years old.  The connection between smoking and lung cancer had not yet been established.  But years later, the cigarettes had taken their toll.  It hurt very badly to watch her savaged by that terrible disease.  Her husband Frank and all of us who loved her so much tried to get her to stop smoking. . . . Tomorrow morning, another 13-year-old girl will start smoking.  I love her too.  Three thousand young people in America will start smoking tomorrow. One thousand of them will die a death not unlike my sister’s.  And that is why until I draw my last breath, I will pour my heart and soul into the cause of protecting our children from the dangers of smoking."  (Al Gore, The Democratic National Convention, 8/28/96)


Here is Gore talking to Tobacco Growers:

"Throughout most of my life, I raised tobacco. I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I've hoed it. I've dug in it. I've sprayed it, I've chopped it, I've shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it.

Gore has more WHOPPERS than BurgerKing.

PS: And why wasn't Gore jumping up and down in outrage when President Clinton of the United States of America encouraged a young woman to use a tobacco product in the oval office of the Whitehouse?  
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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2000, 11:20:00 PM »
Chinese colonels at Harvard -- only in Clinton's America

By Don Feder, September 6, 2000

 Let's recap: The People's Republic of China is engaged in a vast program of military expansion, has looted our nuclear secrets, sees America as its principal adversary, threatens war with Taiwan if the island doesn't acquiesce to a hostile takeover and promises to launch a nuclear strike against us if we intervene.

So, what are 24 senior colonels of the People's Liberation Army doing at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School as you read these words?

Why they're being lectured by current and former national security officials on how the United States would respond militarily to a crisis over Taiwan -- presumably on the theory that the more the enemy knows about your strategic planning the better for you.

Harvard's current guests are the third group of Chinese colonels run through a program established in 1997 by Joseph Nye, a former Clinton defense official and China soft-liner, now dean of the Kennedy School. It's funded by a $1 million-grant from a Hong Kong businesswoman with extensive mainland ties.

Marshall Goldman, Harvard's Russia expert, observes, "Almost all the Chinese are intelligence people" -- unlike the people running the program.

The Kennedy School lectures are an attempt to circumvent an amendment to last year's defense appropriations bill that limits military exchanges with the PLA. Congress had grown increasingly wary of these misadventures -- like letting Chinese officers witness the training of Navy fighter pilots at Top Gun -- which were starting to resemble a Wal-Mart for intelligence gatherers.

But the administration is so eager to show its friendship for Beijing that it must devise other ways to share sensitive data.

The president just can't do enough for his strategic partners. This spring, he pledged to do "whatever it takes" to get Permanent Normal Trade Relations for China, to assure a continuation of the trade that finances its military build-up. He's repeatedly threatened to veto the Taiwan Security Enhancement Act (designed to bolster the island's defenses), which passed the House in February.

When Taiwan's new president, Chen Shui-bian, was in California in August, in transit to Central America, a bipartisan congressional delegation wanted to meet with the man who led the first democratic change of government in 5,000 years of Chinese history.

Fearing it would antagonize the PRC, the State Department pressured Chen into declining the meeting. But, it rolled out the red carpet for Lt. Gen. Xiong Guangkai, the PLA's deputy chief of staff, when he visited Washington in January.

During the 1996 Taiwan crisis, when China was test-firing missiles in the island's direction, Xiong warned that Beijing had ICBMs which could take out Los Angeles. That's how to get the royal treatment from this administration -- threaten to turn America's second largest city into radioactive rubble.

Four Gore years of this policy and the People's Liberation Army could be marching down the main street of Carthage, Tenn.

For the vice president, China is an "extremely important partner." He's against "isolating and demonizing" China (dealing with it realistically) and wants to "build a bridge" -- to Tiananmen Square?

In a 1997 trip to the mainland, he repeated the Clinton mantra on humanizing totalitarian thugs, "We seek real progress on human rights, not confrontation." This high-sounding rhetoric really means that no matter what bloody atrocities Beijing commits, America will never criticize it directly but hope that our kindness will somehow infuse the regime with a spirit of benevolence.

China is evolving in a somewhat different direction. On March 6, Beijing announced that the nation's military budget will increase by 12.7 percent this year, the eighth straight year of double-digit growth.

The same day, the Liberation Army Daily warned that American intervention in a conflict with Taiwan would result in "serious damage to U.S. interests" and casually noted its "capacity of launching a long-distance strike."

Along with the Kennedy School sessions on our strategic planning, perhaps the administration would like to help Beijing with procurement and recruitment. We've already sold it supercomputers to help improve the accuracy of its ballistic missiles.

Just when you thought Clinton's China policy couldn't get more surreal, you find we've fallen down another rabbit hole, arriving at a whole new level of Wonderland.

©2000 Creators Syndicate, Inc.


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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2000, 11:26:00 PM »
Thanks, Funked.....I think.  

Maybe the UN will defend Taiwan?  
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« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2000, 02:07:00 AM »
We need to get these people out of office... PRONTO!

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« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2000, 11:46:00 AM »
This administration should be charged with treason. What they have done within last eight years is way to sinister to be just incompetence and/or stupidity.

Unfortunately that will never happen.

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« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2000, 12:22:00 PM »
This is something I don't quite understand.  Perhaps someone can shed some light on the matter.

The United Nations, along with Britan and the US, has had a reputation of helping peaceful countries fight against their aggressors.  They have fought against counties who feel that they have the right to occupy another soverign nation's land and claim it as their own.  The fought against North Vietnam, who was attempting to claim it's southern counterpart as it's own.  They fought against North Korea who was trying the same.  Yet, they sit by and literally watch China invade and occupy the most peaceful of all nations on this planet, Tibet.  Why?

Now China feels that they have the right to designate who the next Dalai Lama will be.

"One particular concern voiced by the Dalai Lama was the role of the boy picked by the Chinese leadership as the Panchen Lama -- the second most important figure in Tibetan Buddhism who is charged with selecting the next reincarnation of the Dalai Lama.

The Dalai Lama recognised another boy as the reincarnation of the Panchen Lama in 1995, but his choice was spirited away by the Chinese authorities and has been kept in a secret location ever since.

"I made it clear that if I passed away, the (Dalai Lama's) reincarnation would logically come from outside Tibet, in a free country," the Dalai Lama said.

"But China will choose a boy as the next Dalai Lama, though in reality he is not."

Why won't the US step up to the plate and totally defend what they believe in? Because China would beat them.

 


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« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2000, 03:58:00 PM »
   
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Why won't the US step up to the plate and totally defend what they believe in? Because China would beat them.

*Dumb stuff deleted.*

We're going to go to war and get our people killed because some goofy pagans don't have the right llama?  Sorry, not on my dime.

How on earth are we supposed to get troops into Tibet?  There is no way to fight that battle without starting a total war with China.  

We might win such a war, but not without turning China into a highly radioactive glass parking lot.  Tibet would be free, but would there be any Tibetans left?


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« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2000, 11:11:00 AM »
Buddhists are not pagans. Far from it.

I seriously do not know if the US could beat China, that's why I said what I did.  If they won't help Tibet, why do they help other countries in similar situations?  I'm not saying to go in guns blazing, but at least confront the Chinese on this serious issue.  What would the US do if China invaded Italy and said they have the right to apoint the next Pope?  

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« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2000, 03:16:00 PM »
Look up the definition of pagan again sonny.  

I see what you are saying now.  I don't think it's feasible to confront China militarily in this area, because of the location of Tibet.  There is no way to get forces into that area without first invading China, which would probably require the committment of all NATO forces plus Russia's forces and divine intervention wouldn't hurt either.

I do agree that the US should play hardball with China on this issue as well as human rights issues.  But I am not willing to put the lives of American soldiers in jeopardy for this.

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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2000, 03:23:00 PM »
PS Igloo we need RCAF fighter pilots for our scenario!!! http://www.mikeangel.com/afrikacorps/