Leadership to be proud of....

[Reschke]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
As I have no respect foir them, I cannot consider them leaders.  A true leader is typically selfless.  Politicans are in the game to get what they can out of it before bailing.  They have no respect for us, the people, or they would not continually lie to us.

I am not proud of our politicians.  I am disgusted by them.

Well Skuzzy most of us here have probably had someone we can relate to as a good leader and those same endearing qualities are what make them nowhere near the sort of leadership we need to guide our nation. And if by chance that person was elected to lead us they would be extremely unpopular only because they lack the political correctness to placate the brain washed masses.

[midnight Target]

The real point here is the huge difference in tone of the Keynote speakers at the 2 conventions. One is uplifting and hopeful, the other is angry and attacking. Why would anyone want to attack the people who aren't even in power?

Maybe to mold the issue to a message instead of molding the message to the actual issues.

I'm sick of the Karl Rove games... I hope the majority of the Country is too.

The Conservative right may have some great ideas when it comes to running the Country.. no doubt about that.. but they have also been the instigators of the wedge that has separated us as a people, and the means by which Liberal became a dirty word.

Shame on them.

[Pooh21]

Id vote for Zell Miller before I would even consider voting for Barrack Obomba

[GRUNHERZ]

MT you should callthe thread "Speechmaking to be proud of"  NOT "Laeadership to be proud of"

[Yeager]

Why would anyone want to attack the people who aren't even in power?
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librals are teh suck?

[lukster]

Originally posted by Arlo
"Interesting" is a word for it. I believe Obama would fare well and he would be my preferred choice. But then, quotes seem to say alot in this thread:

"I'm not somebody who wants to run for office. I haven't ever run for anything," Rice told NBC. "I think I'm doing what I need to do, which is to try and promote American foreign policy, American interests, the president's democracy agenda at an extraordinary time."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/10/16/national/w081714D55.DTL

That she doesn't want to run is perhaps even more of a reason to persuade her to do so. She would get my vote.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by lukster
That she doesn't want to run is perhaps even more of a reason to persuade her to do so. She would get my vote.

Truth be told she's shown indications of wanting the job but she wants to be "drafted" (a mandate of the people for her to take the office). Not likely. So if she really want's it she'll have to compete in the political arena. An area that partisan politics has turned into a mud wrestling pit.

[Toad]

Actually, I think Liberal became a less than positive image due to the ideas put forth by.... liberals.

9th Circuit as a good example.

[Mini D]

Democrats realized the folly of trying to put the extreme left in office last year. My money says you see them trying to regroup and regain the religious dems that they alienated last year with their hard line anti-religion posturing. Making gay marriage and abortion two of the cornerstones of their campaign was a big mistake.

I wonder if the Reps will figure out they need to move away from the extreme right in order to win this election. I don't think they will because they're cocky after the last election. They think they actually won when the truth is the Dems totally threw it away.

I'm wondering how much of an impact having a black man with an arab sounding name running for office is going to have. I'd actually consider voting for him as long as the Dems don't try to out-stupid last election by putting hillary on the bill as VP.

[Yeager]

No more Clintons, no more Bush.  No more McCain and no more Kerry.

Time for someone new.....

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Toad
Actually, I think Liberal became a less than positive image due to the ideas put forth by.... liberals.

9th Circuit as a good example.

That's not unlike saying conservatives have a less than positive image due to the ideas brought forth by conservatives.

The current administration as a better example.

Both of which are a perfect examples of how partisan politics is bad for the nation as a whole.

As an aside, I tend not to blame courts for doing their job no matter the opinion of those who's agenda it threatens. If someone doesn't like the ruling ... present a stronger case.

[Toad]

Well, the 9th is the most overruled Cirucuit in the US. So I guess a lot of people present a stronger case.

Accountability and Responsiblity are the two traits I consider first when examining an issue.

While the current administration has a very poor record in this area, looking over the past 40 or so years of my "political awareness" it seems to me that the "Liberal" view is the one that most often removes Accountability and Responsiblity for people's actions....from the people that perform those actions.

Little Billy has a problem? It's not Billy's fault...it's society's fault. Or, choose something, anything to blame but little Billy.

Now, lately, both sides are pretty much in the same pot. It seems no one can do anything but point fingers.

[Arlo]

We're agreed.

[lazs2]

so which of you divisive guys gave colored people the "african-american" title?

I'm with toad... only care about individualism and personal responsibility.  I may or may not be my brothers keeper depending on how I feel about it at the time and if I think they deserve it.

lazs

[Arlo]

Originally posted by lazs2
so which of you divisive guys gave colored people the "african-american" title?

I'm with toad... only care about individualism and personal responsibility.  I may or may not be my brothers keeper depending on how I feel about it at the time and if I think they deserve it.

lazs

Well ... if that was really part of the issue ... blame me and we'll move on.