Leadership to be proud of....

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Mini D
Democrats ..........Making gay marriage and abortion two of the cornerstones of their campaign was a big mistake.

This is exactly the point. Democrats DIDN'T make this a cornerstone of the campaign... Republicans made it a Democratic cornerstone. Kerry was AGAINST gay marriage.

More Rove attack politics.

Did you know the Republicans even sent fliers out to predominately Black areas of the South stating that the Democrats wanted to "ban the Bible & Have Gays teach your children"?

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
MT you should callthe thread "Speechmaking to be proud of"  NOT "Laeadership to be proud of"

Conveying the message is part of leadership... a huge part. I'll stick with my title.

[Skuzzy]

Words are cheap.  It does not take any leadership skills to read a speech, especially if it is prepared by someone else.  It takes far more to live up to the words, than to just mutter them at the crowd.

Actions speak far more than words.  A leader will hold himself accountable to everyone.  A coward points fingers or redirects any possible fallout to someone else.  Oh,..but that is politics,..isn't it?  Or is that what we have labeled it today?

[mars01]

SAY NO TO MCCAIN AND ANYONE ELSE WHO SUPPORT USER FEES FOR AVIATION SERVICES!

I was a McCain fan until I found out he supports user fees to be charged for aviation services.  Doing this fked up Europe and Canada and the Airlines are pushing for it here so they can fk up our system!  You get a bill every time you talk to a tower, ATC or weather services.  It would be death to GA for all but the rich.

[Arlo]

"Hey, lady. You gotta buy a ticket if you want a seat on the plane. Well .... you might need two."

- Joe the ticket counter guy

[Mini D]

Originally posted by midnight Target
This is exactly the point. Democrats DIDN'T make this a cornerstone of the campaign... Republicans made it a Democratic cornerstone. Kerry was AGAINST gay marriage.

Ummm... your revisionist politics is not refreshing in the least.

Gay marriage was pushed into the forefront in order to villify republicans. The SSC nominations were questioned based on their abortion viewpoints. Are you saying this was a republican plot to undermine the democrats? Because I don't believe a single republican was involved in Portland's decision to keep the courts open 24 hours a day to accomodate all of the gay marriages.

Sometimes you're so far off it just makes me shake my head.

[midnight Target]

Huh?

What does any of that have to do with the Presidential election?

Oh... that's right.

Nothing.

[john9001]

hitler was a great speech maker, so he must have been a great leader, unlike boosh who can't even pronounce some words.


if obama's first name was albert we could call him al obama:lol

[Arlo]

I'm pretty sure there's a greater difference between Hitler's speeches and Obama's than Hitler's and some others you'd be hesitant to belittle.

[Toad]

Speech-a-fying isn't the same as gettin' r done.

We've seen a lot of speech-a-fying and very little getting done.

From all sides.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Huh?

What does any of that have to do with the Presidential election?

Oh... that's right.

Nothing.

Q: Is Dick Cheney's daughter gay? How is it anyone knows that?

[Hap]

Originally posted by Toad
Speech-a-fying isn't the same as gettin' r done.

we're doomed.

hap

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Mini D
Q: Is Dick Cheney's daughter gay? How is it anyone knows that?

Could be because the question came up in 2 dabates and it was mentioned by both Kerry and Edwards, or

It could be because Cheney himself brought it up in the early part of the campaign in Iowa... look it up.

[Mini D]

Sure thing MT. Revisionist history is your strong point. Especially that part about who made what an issue.

[midnight Target]

Oh comon... Dems respond to a question and that means they "made it an issue".

Spit out the koolaid.