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Offline Stone

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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2006, 11:20:58 PM »
I have not OC, the problems started right away out the box.

I had the PC store assemble and _test_ the PC. Even payed them 65€ to do so :(

If I recall correctly, the memtest86 displayed memoryspeed to be 201 mhz or 202 mhz. I guess that is normal ?

I just hope that it is one memory stick that is broken. That way I might be able to use the PC with 1gig, while the other stick is traveling the world with the post office.

I just wory that its somthing else tho.
The addresses given by memtest86 are:
1250.8MB and 783.7MB

I am no expert, but could that mean that both sticks are bad? Just wondering as one stich is 1024MB and 783.7 is below that and 1250.8MB above.

Then again, if there was some problem with mobo or somting else, it would be strange the memtest always finds the same bad spots?

But getting two bad memstiks is just beyond bad luck !?!

Or could it still be one stick that is bad, and the addresses are somehow different due to dual channel ?

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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2006, 12:56:53 AM »
I am now running memtest86 on separate memory modules.

On the first it errors:
tst - 6
pass - 0
Failing Address - 000271569ec 625.3MB
Good - 00400000
Bad - 00000000
Err-Bits - 004000
Count - 3
Chan - 1

On the other pass it did not find a problem.

On the other module, on the first pass it did not find any problems. But I keep on running for a few passes.

Strange that with two modules it fins two bad spots, but separate only one ?

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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2006, 01:22:32 AM »
Unbelivable but now memtest-86 finds the problem from the other stick also.

tst - 6
pass - 1
Failing Address - 0000f83573c 248.3MB
Good - ffffbfff
Bad - ffffffff
Err-Bits - 00004000
Count - 1
Chan

So some how I have managed to get TWO bad kingston memory modules :eek:

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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2006, 01:28:17 AM »
It's not unheard of. They might replace them for you. Look into it.

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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2006, 01:50:25 AM »
Memory is the one part of the system you shouldn't skimp on.
Sorry but Kingston isn't exactly known for their quality products, cheap and cheerful.
Especially for use with an AMD 64 you want some good quality stuff.
Corsair, OCZ, Mushkin etc, yup they are more expensive, but well worth it.

One suggestion may work (it does for the 7800's) go into your BIOS and set the PCI Latency timer to 256.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2006, 01:52:38 AM by Kev367th »
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2006, 02:42:00 AM »
I have to agree.  At one time Kingston was known for good quality RAM at an affordable price, but those days are long gone.  Memory gets stressed harder than ever these days and its one of the few areas where you really cant skimp.  One of the biggest reasons I shop Newegg so much is the reviews.  I can see how many people are reviewing a product and how many of them are bad.  If there are no reviews, or only a few, and its RAM, stay away.  Let someone else be the guinea pig.  Saving a few dollars now isnt worth the headache of waiting while you RMA it after you find out its bad.

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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2006, 03:51:38 AM »
Well, the PC shop only has Kingstone and then some noname value ram.

I have now returned the PC for "service".
Im totaly depdressed over this now.

I wanted to buy all stuff from one supplier. It limits my options on products, but I want waranty. And I did not want to deal with DOA products.

I told them to test the setup so I dont have to return it right away.

Well here I am, returned the PC next day, after hours of testing :(

They did not test it good enough it seems.

And in stead of suggesting to compensate, they treathen to bill me 30€ + all the posting costs, if they dont see the problem.

Great, they did not find the problem the first time around, hope they find it now, so I dont have to play extra !

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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2006, 04:54:22 AM »
mushkin and Crucial /corsair is about all i use these days and theyve Rma ed  every stick ive ruined no questions asked ... (and it took a very extreame oc to ruin them )  ocz seams to be quality ram also .

Kingston i could get to fail at 4-10% oc easily .. crucial took 45% oc and lasted a week befor it failed (think it coulda went longer if it was kept cooler) shoulda tossed the whole case in a freezer .


 its not uncommon to have bad ram as for the manufacturers aint testing it the way they should anymore .


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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2006, 12:46:51 PM »
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HEHE i have a couple of them myself , one was an old 350ci chevy motor out of a 69 el camino with a 2 barrel ,which spun a bearing ,  and another was a 427ci 425hp motor that never completely blew up , but it had to have a major before going back in my dads 70 chevelle heh ,he was real happy .  The 72ss nova it was in had 4.56's in 12 bolt rear with an M-22 rock crusher  4speed . Poor motor had to turn 3500rpm @ 60mph hehe . It would only do around 105mph but it did that in a 1/4 M  . Id have to look at the tickets but i believe with the 427 it ran 13.0's 13.1 , but it would float the valves about 30ft from the finish line .  With the little 2 barrel 350 it went 14.2 @ 92mph .   Roo
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2006, 01:12:48 PM »
Stone, tell them the memory failed memtest.  Even the memory companies themselves use it to test their product.  Every online supplier I've ever dealt with recognizes a failed run on memtest as proof the memory is bad (although I always get at least 3 failures before I use it as proof).  Tell them if they cant get it right, you have the proof the memory is bad and they can deduct the cost of it from  your build, then go buy your own.  If they want to slap a fee on  you, tell them you'll see them in small claims court.  This is why I never let computer shops build anything for me anymore.  I usually know more about computers than the jerk behind the counter.  They use cheap parts and charge big markups and like to bully people into paying for the junk they put out when there is a complaint.  I wish I still had my shop, I could make a killing just off the business the other little shops run off.

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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2006, 03:02:52 PM »
You're jinxed with hardware Stone. Tell me where you live so I can stay far away from you. :D :rolleyes:
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« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2006, 10:54:25 AM »
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Stone, tell them the memory failed memtest.  Even the memory companies themselves use it to test their product.  Every online supplier I've ever dealt with recognizes a failed run on memtest as proof the memory is bad (although I always get at least 3 failures before I use it as proof).  Tell them if they cant get it right, you have the proof the memory is bad and they can deduct the cost of it from  your build, then go buy your own.  If they want to slap a fee on  you, tell them you'll see them in small claims court.  This is why I never let computer shops build anything for me anymore.  I usually know more about computers than the jerk behind the counter.  They use cheap parts and charge big markups and like to bully people into paying for the junk they put out when there is a complaint.  I wish I still had my shop, I could make a killing just off the business the other little shops run off.


The problem with letting the "experts" build out your system is that the guy actually doing the work usually makes about $8-$9/hr {here in the US}. The vast majority have little cabability beyond the basic install. Basically "building out" your system consists of assembling the parts (30 min tops), loading the operating system and installing the drivers that came with the various components....if your lucky they'll actually do that right. Truthfully you can buy components that dont interface cleanly under such a build....the real key to a custom system is in optimizing the registry to fit.....which very few folks actually do. Does your memory work well with that MB, do your sound drivers cause a conflict elsewhere. Is the driver for your VC compatable with the rest of your system....these are all things that should have been addressed for you. Personally if you ran the memory test within 48 hours of getting the system and it failed...I'd return the system for a refund...and take them to court if they didnt give it to you. Absolutely no excuse for them to ship a system with bad memory....period. You have no clue what else might be wrong. Lot of 2nd tier shops recycle "bad" parts till they find a noob who wont complain.

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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2006, 10:04:42 AM »
I am beyond jinxed :(

I am loosing faith for the industy fast over here. Lately so many crazy things has hapend.

Like, my Internet died. After some research I was convinsed the ISP DHCP has blocked me. I call the ISP and tell them this. They made a ticket. Next day I call, and wonder why my Inet is still down. They say they call back. Third day I call again (shocking, they did not call me) and still no inteligent information is exchanged. Fourth day I get temp mobile inet, and order new ISP and discontinue the current one. Then out of nowhere an engender is behing our door. No warning, he just appears at our home 9 in the morning? Well he test the line, makes a few calls and gets it to work. I asked what the problem was. He told me that the ISP DHCP had blocked me of some strange reason...

Well I then in a few weeks time get the new ISP. They deliver a new ADSL modem to me. Great, this one works for 6 hours, and then DNS dies ? I reboot the ADSL modem I got and Inet works, but just for some hours, then DNS dies again. I call the new ISP and they ask me to upgrade BIOS. I get home, only to see I allready have the new BIOS.... Call ISP again, and they tell me to drive over to a local shop and exchange the modem. I do that. The shop is full of this modem brand / model. Well the new one works for 6 hours, then DNS dies :O OMG, I call the ISP and now they tell me they have problems with this brand / model ? Comon, this is the one THEY delivered me, and the one THEY have piles of in their store? And the fix they tell me to do, is to disable NAT and FW + all the other inteligent funktions the modem has to offer.

Well I run linux box as firewall, so for me its ok to have a "stupid" modem.

Oh, I hope I get the new PC soon and fully functioning, without any courts or fights. I just want a PC to run games on lol

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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2006, 11:56:49 AM »
The way to go is to really build your own. It sounds a lot more complex than it is.

If you already have a case (if you are upgrading) you don't have to worry about that much.

First think about the CPU you want. That's the first thing you consider. You decide what kind of processor, what style chip (i.e. a LGA775 or a Socket A) and what speed. Just look at speeds, and then find out what the socket-type is for that chip.

Second find a motherboard in that socket-type. The motherboard has to be able to hold the CPU, which is why I said think of the CPU first. I use newegg personally, but you can use any online website to find out the specs on motherboards. Once you find a selection in the socket-type you need, there are other considerations -- find one you like.

These are no-brainers. If you want to be able to plug in several PCI cards, you need to find one with 3 to 5 PCI slots. If you want to use your PCIe 3d card you need to find a PCIe motherboard. Basically this is the "what do I have, or want, and how many slots will I need to get there?" step. You don't need to know anything special at this point, you're just adding features in your head.

Once you have that narrowed down, you need to take note of what kind of RAM the motherboard supports. There are 2 major types right now, DDR and DDR2. These are not compatible. You can use one or the other. DDR is PC3200 and the like. DDR2 is found more often on AMD motherboards (just a personal observation). Some mobos have slots for both types, but can only operate with one type or the other installed. You need to buy RAM for the mobo based on the type of RAM it supports. If it's neither of these types keep looking -- you've found a mobo that supports and outdated/old/obsolete/obscure type of RAM and it will be expensive as hell to purchase any.

SIDE NOTE: Read the motherboard specs. Find out how much RAM capacity (total) the mobo can support. If it's got 2 slots it might support only 2GB total. That hinders you a few years from now when you need to upgrade. You can get "value" RAM as long as its by a decent company. When in doubt, your mobo should have a vendor list of all supported RAM types.

So that's the CPU/Mobo/RAM. You've already built the PC there! Basically ... :p

Now just "accessories". One thing to consider is a new PSU. Newer chips and mobos require stronger PSU units. Certain mobos have voltage requirements and state as much. If your current PSU doesn't fit the bill you need a new one. Just look at the total W supplied, and the volts on the 12v rail etc etc. Compare to what the mobo needs (and/or your 3D card if it needs special requirements). Again, basic math ("How many Watts do I need? Of that how many Volts do I need to power the motherboard? Okay last addition, how many special connectors do I need for my PCIe card")

Then plug your vid card in. Plug your sound (if you have a PCI sound card, most mobos have onboard sound now), plug in your NIC (if applicable), plug in anything else, HD, floppy, CD-ROM, etc, just like you're swapping parts in or out, only you're doing it to a new mobo.

Stick the Windows disc in the drive and boot her up! Reinstalling windows is the best thing to do with a new motherboard. Once windows is done installing, you may need to pop in the mobo CD-rom with drivers, and/or CD-ROMs from your other cards (vid, sound, NIC, etc).

You've just built your own PC!

The tricky part is really just CPU/mobo/RAM/ and-or PSU.

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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2006, 03:44:02 AM »
When I sent the PC for repairs, I sent a mail asking them to have spear parts ready, so we dont have to wait for that.

Well guess what, 3 days later I call and ask why I have not heard from them, and they tell me that they are waiting for spear parts....

:mad:

And it gets worse !

They have now tested the PC and found out that the MEMORY and VIDEO card is broke :O

I mean, out of the BOX the PC has 2 SIM modules and one video card broken ? On a brand new PC ?

What is the odds of that? Worse than Finland winning the eurovision song contest im sure !

I cant help but thinking that there is something more wrong with the damed thing, and it will not be long before it breaks again.

That is, if they get the spare parts and send the PC back to me.

Oh I think im doomed.