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Offline Gunslinger

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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2006, 01:15:03 AM »
Hang,

What do you think happened in oklahoma.  Seriously though this is news to me.

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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2006, 01:29:15 AM »
ahhhhhhhh. For the answer.. consider what these three interesting events have in common.

Ruby Ridge
Waco
Oklahoma City
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2006, 01:33:23 AM »
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Originally posted by Mr Big
I just want to know how a guy with a 66 IQ got a million dollars.


He inherited it from a wealthy lady he was working for and living with.

Laz, I whole heartedly agree that there is something very fishy about the whole Port Arthur thing, I dont know what happened there that day, or who was responsible, but I'm pretty sure it wasnt what we were told by the press.

If my reply in the other thread that provoked all this is indeed plain wrong, I guess I better hand in all these illegal weapons, cancel my bookings at the range for the forseeable future, not bother about the 9 mil at work etc...
You said Australians cant own guns anymore, that is BS, I own several, perfectly legally, I use them for hunting and plinking quite regularly and I carry a concealed handgun for work.
They didnt ban guns, they banned semi-auto and auto long arms....end of story. The laws regulating handguns havent changed one bit, nor have the laws regarding bolt and lever action rifles.

"It is bad and getting much worse for gun owners"      How is it getting much worse? Have the citizens of Callifornia been told something about Australian gun laws that the Aussies have yet to hear?

I believe our government is as slimy and corrupt as yours is, no doubt about that.

The thing that baffles me is  'what for?'
Why would the Govt or whoever else set something like this up?
To ride the media fed uproar and ban guns and disarm the Australian people?
That didnt happen, a bolt action .303 can kill just as effectively as an AK47 or M16 can, there are still several million SMLE .303s in private hands in Australia along with a multitude of other brands of high powered bolt action sporting rifles.
They only banned semi and full autos. Why didnt they ban guns period?

Say it was to disarm the people....why?
What realistic scenario could need the disarmament of the people of Australia?
What foriegn(or domestic for that matter) force could realistically hope to occupy Australia and keep their troops fed and in ammo, fuel, water etc?
If it could be done, and a force did occupy Australia, what differance would it make if the 'partisans' or 'resistance' were armed with automatic arms or bolt actions, they are still armed, and in actual fact have a much greater lethal and accurate range.
The vast majority of Australia is wide open, flat, very sparcely vegetated semi arid desert....the kind of place you can see all the way to the horizon 25 miles away.
At 2000 yards plus, given the option, I would rather be shot at by someone with an M16 or AK than someone with a SMLE. or  Parker Hale.

If the intended purpose was to drastically reduce the ability of the Australian citizen to defend themselves against organised armed attack, it failed misserably, all it did was ensure accurate aimed shots instead of full auto hosing of the general area.

If indeed it was all a big scare campaign , what was the reason for it? What purpose did it serve? It sure as eggs didnt disarm the Australian people.
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2006, 06:33:59 AM »
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A good example of this was the recent reaction of the US military to Federal Government claims that the Alfred P. Murrah building in Oklahoma City was blown up by a 2000 pound low- explosive ammonium nitrate weapon, allegedly parked outside the front door of the building by young Timothy McVeigh.


It was 5,000 lbs, wasn't it?

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So this is a series of articles on the whole event. I admit that I wasn't too up on it but man... this seems insane. If half of what this guy says is true... no way could this guy Bryant have done the shooting...


The problem is far less than half of what he says is true. Which of these claims of his do you believe:

That US agents murdered policewoman Yvone Fletcher in London to turn people against  Libya

That the Bali bombing was carried out by Israel using a small nuclear bomb

That Pan Am flight 103 was blown up over Lockerbie by the CIA and Mossad, again to implicate Libya

That Boeing and Nasa sabotaged the Concord that crashed in Paris in 2000, in order to damage the European aviation industry

That Boeing sabotaged American Airlines Flight 587

That America created the 2004 Asian tsunami in order to kill Muslims and damage the Chinese economy

The guy is a loon

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« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2006, 09:48:56 AM »
Conspiracy theorists are always good for a chuckle.

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« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2006, 10:05:17 AM »
blue... you keep saying that you have a 9mm for your "work"  I assume that your work is not a clerk at the local shopping center.... I assume that your work is what allows you to carry concealled so I think you are missleading us with how easy it is for citizens to carry around concealed handguns in australlia.

What struck me most odd about the whole story is that at the end when they had this guy trapped....  he was under siege for hours.   He fired between 200-250 rounds.... this "shoot em in the head from the hip every 1.5 sec" marksman who could hit a driver of a fast moving car and then dissable it with an engine shot...

This marksman.... in the final hours fired all those hundreds of shots and hit..... no one and nothing.   He came out unarmed from a burning building (fire is allways a good way to clean up) and his weapons left behind in a totally burned building were produced as "evidence" later in pristeen condition.  Ammo was cooking off for a long time before the building cooled.

As for what was accomplished?   Any really useful gun for defense against a government was suddenly banned.   All for a pretty easy and cheap price....  It is costing billions for the gun control nuts here in the states to accomplish 1/100th of what was done in australia for the loss of a few civilians.

soros and the UN and the brady bunch have spent billions on more gun control here and have gotten allmost no results.... going backward sometimes....

The cost analysis would seem to favor a few dead civilians for a huge increase in gun control.

lazs

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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2006, 10:14:55 AM »
The guy may well have been (he's dead) a loon... he may be competely wrong on everything but... why then the secrecy?   Why no investigation and why are all his discrepencies left unchallenged by.... well.... anyone.  You can see the things he says.. the film the shooting skill then suddenly... when the shoot out happens...lack of it...

the burned up weapons being resurected...

The lack of allowing interviews.. the pics of him running with a "weapon" package that is too small to be any of the weapons....  the fact that a millionare could not get a decent lawyer because all his assets were siezed before the trial?   None of it makes sense...  so if he didn't do most of it..

Who did and why?    Who had the ability and could gain by it?

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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2006, 10:23:34 AM »
Oliver Stone should make a movie about this.

Oh wait, he only does crappy films.

Seriously, this is something that seems pretty messed up.

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« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2006, 10:32:29 AM »
Seems like a disguised troll about Australian gun laws to me.
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« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2006, 10:52:47 AM »
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It was 5,000 lbs, wasn't it?


It was a bungled set up/frame of a militia group by the ATF, IMHO.. and there is literally NO doubt we got lied to, evidence was supressed, false evidence introduced and a cover-up was perpetrated..

Klintons ATF, outta control. Now, before you start posting the goofly lil black helicopter icons and the rolly-eye abominations.. educate yourselves. Dig through the links. BE SKEPTICAL.. but keep digging.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html
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« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2006, 11:01:29 AM »
Hang these theories are interesting to say the least but I just have a hard time digesting the motive for this.  People in govt. would really want to kill 168 people just to frame Tim Mcveigh?  They'd go through all that horror just to limit personal powers and increase govt. role?  I have a hard time believing that there are people like that in govt that have the power and resources to act on it.

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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2006, 11:04:48 AM »
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paul hogan = hitler


If that were true, he would have told Schultz about the Radio in the coffee pot.

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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2006, 12:49:21 PM »
My take?  so long as single events can change entire laws and take away peoples rights with no trouble at all.....

That..... said events will allways be suspect.

Do I believe that governments are capable of killing dozens or hundreds or thousands or even millions of their own or other countries citizens and then covering it all up to get what they want?   Well..... yeah... of course I do.  They have done it in the past, are doing it as we speak and will allways do it so long as it works.

Do we allways catch em?  nope.  Did they do it at port arthur?  How would I know?  It does have all the earmarks of a government op that accomplished a great deal for very little effort (risk of getting caught) and a very low price (if you don't count a bunch of worthless citizens).

Do I think governements are powerfull enough and compartementalized enough that one section could be doing something another/the rest knows nothing about?  sure I do.

Do I believe in conspiracies.... sure... so long as nothing else is possible cause.... a conspiracy is hard to hide.

Kennedy for instance.... everything the commission said happened was possible.... it is also possible that we don't know.   This port arthur thing or Waco or Ok city tho.... big holes in this stuff... no good explantions or... the ones given are not possible.

Planes crashing into the twin towers and the pentagon.... not much other viable evidence to say otherwise.

That kind of thing....

One thing for sure... the Port Arthur thing really does stink.   I don't think the aftermath of the killings would have played out the same here.... much more investigation and doubt..... australia seems to have just taken an "oh well" attitude about it.

lazs

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« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2006, 01:06:17 PM »
Hey Laz, have you read "Enemys Foriegn and Domestic"?

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« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2006, 01:12:07 PM »
I think Lazs is an anachronism. And a loon.