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Offline badhorse

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« on: May 30, 2006, 07:18:09 AM »
I went into AvA for the first time this weekend. I really liked the look of the place. Loved the dirt airstirps.  There were only about 8 people on the roster there.
The thing is I didn't know what to do.   I took up a HurrC and flew over to a nearby vehicle base. Took out some ammo bunkers and gun emplacements. Man, the field autoguns are deadly here and they keep shooting at you long after the guns in the MA would have stopped. And hitting you too!
I then took a bomber up and hit a radar field. Again I seemed to be all alone in the world.
It was then I took a look at the roster and noticed that even though there weren't very many folks logged into AvA, all of those there were, were members of a squad. There were two squads there.
There is plenty of help available for the MA. Is there some where I can go where I can ger some info on AvA?  I haven't been back since because I felt I was doing something wrong.
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2006, 07:28:20 AM »
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There is plenty of help available for the MA. Is there some where I can go where I can ger some info on AvA?  I haven't been back since because I felt I was doing something wrong.

One of the pleasant things about AvA is that - generally speaking - the players are well-intentioned and cooperative, even if on different sides.  When you log in, check the roster to see if the sides are imbalanced.  If so, switch to the low country (this is a suggestion, not a requirement).  Then hit channel 200 - our main channel, as it is in the MA - and ask where the fight is.  Or, assuming that there's at least one other person on the same side as you, do the shift-/ routine to ask him on the green country channel.  Move there, use your radio a lot to ask what kind of planes people are flying, what alt the fights are at, that sort of thing.  If you want a partner, use the country channel to try to find one.

There will be the rare occasion (which you might have wandered into) when everyone is flying on the same side.  I've never understood this, but I've seen it happen.  It's then your pick whether you want to join them, or oppose them (i.e. charge toward Certain Death).  Often one or more will have a conscience and will switch to join you.

Despite the low numbers, this is usually the best of all arenas.  Good to have you here.

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2006, 08:37:57 AM »
For most part the AvA arena is fighter vs fighter oriented.

But every once in a while players organize missions and hit a base or a strat.

Usually these missions are agreed upon with the enemy so that there is resistance.

A few things that you dont really see in the AvA is vulching and field porking...

De-acking is done alot but not dropping of fighter hangars (unless its on a big raid mission, and then usually not on a frontline base), porking of ord, fuel ect..

Basicly the AvA is about creating good fights.

The fun fight is more important then disabling the enemies ability to fly.

Afterall if you want a fun fight you need the enemy to be able to up near you.

If the enemies are launching a big raid on one of your bases they are PROVIDING FUN FOR YOU...

You will get a good fight out of their raid... they want a fight they dont want the raid to run unintercepted... hence its not in your interest to prevent them from upping such a raid..

This is the main difference between the MA and the AvA... in the AvA everyone WANTS a fight not a piece of land...

So if you are not sure if something your about to do is "ok or right" then always think "How will this affect my and my enemies chance of having a good fight"... if the answer is negative for both... dont do it.. if the answer is positive for you and negative for your enemy... dont do it.. if its positive for both of you.. do it...

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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2006, 09:34:04 AM »
Tried it again last night... and was pleasantly surprised for the first time.  

Tbarone was a great opponent!    

One thing I asked him, and I'll ask here... is the dar always a little wierd in there?  

He upped (as I flew toward the wrong field) and I didn't even get a darbar until he actually showed up as a dot.  Would make it a little hard to find fights I'd think.

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2006, 09:41:36 AM »
I think that has to do with the sectors on the Karelia map beeing really small... but dont know for sure..

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2006, 10:05:12 AM »
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One thing I asked him, and I'll ask here... is the dar always a little wierd in there?

We've been using historical radar settings, meaning that you'll get DAR bars when enemy planes are within a certain distance, then dots when they get even closer.  The settings vary with the year of the war.  Also, since the radars are based in the base towers, coverage will differ from map to map.  On the clipboard map, right click and do the "show radar" thing, you'll see the coverage zones.

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2006, 10:40:02 AM »
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For most part the AvA arena is fighter vs fighter oriented.

But every once in a while players organize missions and hit a base or a strat.

Usually these missions are agreed upon with the enemy so that there is resistance.

A few things that you dont really see in the AvA is vulching and field porking...

De-acking is done alot but not dropping of fighter hangars (unless its on a big raid mission, and then usually not on a frontline base), porking of ord, fuel ect..

Basicly the AvA is about creating good fights.

The fun fight is more important then disabling the enemies ability to fly.

Afterall if you want a fun fight you need the enemy to be able to up near you.

If the enemies are launching a big raid on one of your bases they are PROVIDING FUN FOR YOU...

You will get a good fight out of their raid... they want a fight they dont want the raid to run unintercepted... hence its not in your interest to prevent them from upping such a raid..

This is the main difference between the MA and the AvA... in the AvA everyone WANTS a fight not a piece of land...

So if you are not sure if something your about to do is "ok or right" then always think "How will this affect my and my enemies chance of having a good fight"... if the answer is negative for both... dont do it.. if the answer is positive for you and negative for your enemy... dont do it.. if its positive for both of you.. do it...

Tex
excellent synopsis tex

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2006, 12:18:09 PM »
Thanks for the replies.  It is appreciated.  
So is AvA kind of a dueling areana or furball place (airplanes or tankies)
where the type of aircraft used is limited?
If someone launches a bomber strike for example does he post it somewhere to ensure he is intercepted? Not trying to be a smartaxx, honest. Just trying to understand.
Is it all tactics and no stratagy?
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2006, 01:09:43 PM »
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Originally posted by badhorse
Thanks for the replies.  It is appreciated.  
So is AvA kind of a dueling areana or furball place (airplanes or tankies)
where the type of aircraft used is limited?
If someone launches a bomber strike for example does he post it somewhere to ensure he is intercepted? Not trying to be a smartaxx, honest. Just trying to understand.
Is it all tactics and no stratagy?



BAdhorse...AvA is for pure fun..if you want to up in a tank you may do so.. but you may not get another enemy tank...instead you may get a heavy enemy 110 or vise-versa if your axis... at the same time it's a furballing arena where there are mostly air-to-air dogfights...

If you wish to launch a bomber strike you may do so and you dont have to post it... but beware if a JG54"Grunherz" member is on as you will cetainly not make it home as they love to intercept and disenegrate buffs  :p ... but overall if you wish to see fun fights not found in the MA than you log into the AvA during late evening hours EST..

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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2006, 01:31:38 PM »
Heh, mostly the bomber missions give us a chance to drag the fights up to altitudes where such fights really happened in the war.  We have planes that were designed to fly and fight above 10,000 feet that rarely get off the deck.  Its just something to break up the monotony and keep it from being just a big furball.  

Mainly, we are here to have fun.  Rather ironic isnt it, flying cartoon planes in a virtual world, and we have to "pretend" to run bomber missions?  lol

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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2006, 01:35:09 PM »
For the most part, badhorse, the AvA is a Historically intended, "dueling arena" furball arena".  By Historically, I mean that the set ups try to pit historical planes against each other.  The 109E against the Spit 1 and Hurri 1, for BoB setups (1939-1940 era), using the "Late war fighters" for the 8th AAF daylight bomber raids, etc.  

What you won't see in the AvA is a horde of LA-7s, Spit 16s, Tempests, Me262s, etc. matched against aircraft that have no chance to fight.

I say "furbal arena", simply because there is no penalty, other than a score, for dying in a fight.  Most people tend to gravitate to a couple of close airfields, and get a fight going.  Most of the fights tend to be on the deck or at a middle altitude, 5000 ft to 8000 ft.  While 2 or 3 vs one fights happen ( If you attack a flight of 3, don't whine about being ganged on), Generally, if you ask on channel 200 for them to come one at a time, they will draw straws to see who gets the first crack at ya.:D  While vultching will happen, it's normally rare, as the regulars WANT you up so they can fight.

I say "dueling arena", simply because, unlike the thousands of players in the MA, most of those that play and fight within the AvA, face each other on a more or less equal footing, and on a more or less regular basis.  While a couple of the Pilots that I know, will engage me as often as they can, if an early war BoB is up, they sweat meeting a lone Hurricain Mk 1.:eek:   I really don't know why, since 2 out of 3 times they shoot me down, unless it's the fact it takes both of em 10 to 15 minutes to do it.:lol  And Yeah, I'm talkin about White13 and Platan0, Masters of the 109's.  One on one, about 4 out of 10 I win.  Maybe not a good average, but some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on.  :rofl

Those that Play and fly in the AvA have fun doing things together.  Some of us really enjoy putting Missions together, for the enjoyment of all.  FiLth is the best example of this.  He will set up an Axis Bomber Run, or an Allied Bomber raid, depending on the set up available.  He will normally advertise that said mission will occur at such and such time, on so and so day, and invite any and all to come play.  It matters not what you want to do, Escort the bombers, intercept the bombers, fly a bomber, create a diversion to lead the escorts or interceptors away, etc.  Come join the fun and find the fight you are looking for.  There will always be at least one other with the same idea.


Basically, just show up, looking to have an enjoyable time, joining the competition, and have fun.  Ask what's goin on, then decide which of the two sides you want to fly for.  Lots of good sticks in here, and none are bashful about handin ya yer behind on a platter.:aok

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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2006, 02:13:07 PM »
[.  Lots of good sticks in here, and none are bashful about handin ya yer behind on a platter.:aok [/B][/QUOTE]

Sounds like I should stick to the MA for a while. I've only been on AHII for a couple of months.  I thought I was a bullet magnet in there,  I can only imagine what it must be like in AvA. Some of the names you've mentioned (and some who have taken the time to reply to this post) I have heard of as very good pilots.    Figure my survial time would be measured in quarts per hour.
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2006, 02:32:53 PM »
Actually I tend to survive longer in AvA as the fights are smaller... one of the hardest thing with the MA is to outlive all the cherry pickers..

In the AvA you usually only have fights up to 5v5... much easier to keep track of 5 enemies then 25...

It also gives much more room for improving your skill...

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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2006, 03:21:19 PM »
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 And Yeah, I'm talkin about White13 and Platan0, Masters of the 109's.  One on one, about 4 out of 10 I win.  Maybe not a good average, but some of the most fun I've had with my clothes on.  :rofl

 




:lol :lol :lol :lol


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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2006, 03:28:12 PM »
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[.  Lots of good sticks in here, and none are bashful about handin ya yer behind on a platter.:aok


Sounds like I should stick to the MA for a while. I've only been on AHII for a couple of months.  I thought I was a bullet magnet in there,  I can only imagine what it must be like in AvA. Some of the names you've mentioned (and some who have taken the time to reply to this post) I have heard of as very good pilots.    Figure my survial time would be measured in quarts per hour. [/B][/QUOTE]



Hey bro I've only been playing for like 4 months...and I hear I'm probably the best up and coming LW noobie there is.... If u start flying in AvA now while your flying skills are young and naive.... you are guaranteed to be a good stick in much shorter time than If you stay in the MA.....  When I first started flying AH I coincidently fell into the AvA and Never looked backed...


Try it you will learn much quicker with better competition


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